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Wild for Frequency
Wild for Frequency explores the human experience through the lens of frequency. Your host, Holly Copeland is an ecologist, mystic, and lover of all things related to sound, frequency, and music. She draws on her expertise as a scientist and lifelong student of spirituality to bring you conversations with thought leaders and experts on how the vibratory nature of the universe operates within our human bodies and shapes every aspect of our world.
Wild for Frequency
Wuji and the Wisdom of Frequency: Kevin Schoeninger on Qigong
Tune into Wild for Frequency as we explore the energetic universe through the lens of Qigong with Kevin Schoeninger, a seasoned holistic trainer with over 40 years of experience. Kevin shares how Qigong taps into the frequencies that shape our reality, harmonizing the body's energy field to support health, wellbeing, and personal growth. Discover how this ancient practice not only enhances vitality but also aligns us with the natural rhythms of the universe, offering profound insights into the dynamic interplay of energy and consciousness.
In this episode, Kevin dives into the vibrational essence of Qigong, highlighting how it fosters cellular communication and optimal energetic flow. Learn how the practice of wuji—formless awareness—can help us access and refine subtle frequencies within the body, creating a state of resonance and harmony. With practical tips, a guided session to elevate your vibration, and tools like the ROV meditation app, this episode is your gateway to understanding how frequency connects us to the cosmos while transforming every aspect of health and wellbeing.
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Hello and welcome to Wild for Frequency, a show where we explore our energetic universe, the frequencies that make up that universe and how we can use frequency in everything that we do to improve our lives. I am so delighted today to bring you my conversation with Kevin Schoeninger. Kevin has four decades of experience as a holistic trainer, also in studying and teaching qigong and reiki and something also called subtle energy meditation, and in this conversation we really go deep into the practices of qigong and how qigong sees the energetic world and works with the energetic world. So we step away from technology-based frequency into a conversation about the ancient practices in Qigong. Kevin even leads a short practice, so there's a lot of practical information about how you start to work with the energetic universe through these ancient practices. I think you're going to really find a ton of value here. I'm so delighted to bring you my conversation with Kevin Schoeninger. I'm so delighted. Welcome, kevin Schoeninger. I'm super delighted to have you on Wild for Frequency. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Holly. It's wonderful to be on. It's great to see you again. It's been a little while, but I'm really excited for the work you. Holly, it's wonderful to be on. It's great to see you again. It's been a little while, but I'm really excited for the work you're doing and it's great to be part of your podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much and I, you know, just want to start by saying that I'm so delighted to have you on because, you know, in our work together and just so people know, I studied subtle energy meditation with Kevin and the work that I did with Kevin and and Stephen Altair, his partner at the time, really was the first entree into deep meditation study and you know your class and your approach was was the thing that I say sent me down the rabbit hole of really into. You know your class and your approach was was the thing that I say sent me down the rabbit hole of really into. You know many awakenings and and embodied practices that took me in a depth, in a place that I really never experienced before. So I really want to just say how much, how grateful I am for the wisdom that you bring, for the work that you're doing, for the lives that you influenced, because that course, that single course, and what followed impacted my life immeasurably. It was beyond, beyond, and so thank you for that and the work you're doing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, holly. Well, it's really wonderful to see where you've taken it, and you really did. You have taken it and and gone in really deeply and and widely and and now you've created your own kind of field, working with frequency and meditation and healing and and sound frequencies and healing. So it's awesome to see where you've taken it and it makes me happy.
Speaker 2:So, thank you, thank you. Well, it makes me so happy to have you on and I just, you know, want people to know and you'll see this when we get into the conversation just your depth of wisdom and decades of experience. I know you've, you know, had four decades as a trainer and do holistic work in Qigong, which we're going to really get into with meditation, and you know it feels rare to have someone with so much wisdom and experience. So I'm just again, really grateful that you're here to share that with our audience.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Holly. So I think a really beautiful place to start is to give people a feeling for how you got you know, how you got into this, how early did this hit you? And then, really, what I want to touch in and to is the work that is most in line in your mind with you know, embodied frequency and vibration, and and I think, I think that's going to revolve around Qigong, but maybe just start by telling us how, how did you, how did you get here?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, let's see 62 years worth of of how I got here Um but I think some highlights.
Speaker 1:I'd start out when I was 12 years old. I was very tiny and not strong and not in great shape and felt very insecure in the world. And I was going to school down in the heart of North Philadelphia, which was a very scary place, and I got this kind of light bulb went on in my head I have to get stronger. I have to. And so I started strength training, which you might not think how that can relate to where we're going today, but actually it so strongly relates, because it really got me into my body and and into the idea of training. Because I learned that if I put some time and some effort and some focused attention on lifting these weights and exercising my body, I could change my experience. I could change my body, but more than that, I could change how I felt in my body and now I felt stronger, I felt like empowered, I felt, oh, if I just focus my attention on this, it makes a difference and if I do that consistently, it really makes a difference. And I think I took that power of consistent practice from there when I was 12, you know, 50 years, to where I'm 62. And that's really been, although the modalities have expanded. That's really been the core of it is that if I really focus my attention on something and I'm consistent with it, I can change what's happening internally but also how I feel in the world and how I relate to the world, relate to the world, and so that that was one um highlight.
Speaker 1:And then fast forward, um, about 10 more years from there and I had just graduated from undergraduate school in philosophy and I was about to enter a program, a graduate program, in the phenomenology of consciousness. But before that I took this trip, backpacking trip out west, out to Colorado and Utah and Arizona and the Canyonlands and Moab, and I was definitely a city boy, and so this was just like going to another planet for me and it really. First of all, it was kind of scary for me to just be out in the wilderness by myself and all this expansive openness and nothing going on and um. But what happened over just sitting and being in that natural environment with this huge, spacious sky and as mostly desert environment that I was um walking through and sitting in, is that the environment itself, it the frequency of the environment, started to profoundly affect how I felt internally, effect affected my mind, and I found that the stillness of the environment, the vast spaciousness of it, the silence of it, started to inform my brain, started started to inform how I was feeling, so that at the end of that month I just had a profound sense of still and silent and spacious awareness and I felt really peaceful and I was like, oh, this is. I've never experienced whatever this. This is. I've never experienced whatever this is. I've never experienced it before. And I also felt like I was in touch with something, some part of me that was expansive and timeless, and and all my worries, my insecurities, my concerns somehow just seemed to have faded to the background and I was just felt like, oh, if I died right now, it wouldn't even make a difference in this state. It feels like this is just kind of a timeless state of being.
Speaker 1:And so I came back from that trip and I was just about to enter this master's program in phenomenology and I really wanted to know what this was, what happened to me, what had had other people experienced this, what was? And and so, curiously, the week that I got home from that trip I got a continuing education um catalog in the mail and I was like, oh, I'm going to graduate school. I don't need you know, I'm going to have enough to do. But I just started leafing through it and I came upon this Tai Chi class and I had never heard. This is 1984.
Speaker 1:So Tai Chi, that wasn't like, widely, I had never heard of Tai Chi, I didn't know what it was, but there was something about it that was just like, oh no, take this class.
Speaker 1:And so, completely unknown to me what it was, I started to take this Tai Chi class and it really, although I've been doing weight training for 10 years, this got me in touch with my inner body, inner body, with these, this sensory experience inside my body that was very akin to the experience that I had out in the wilderness, like, oh, there's something.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is why I'm taking this class, because I'm learning about something, about what I experienced out there in the wilderness.
Speaker 1:And so Tai Chi led me to feel the presence, the vitality, the vital energy in my body. And it led me to Qigong practice, which is both a moving and still meditation or meditation forms, and in the stillness of the meditation, feeling inside the space, inside my body, the space all around me, because in qigong we we learn to sense space all around, an infinite space in which you exist. I started to say, oh that, whatever this is, it's the same thing I was feeling out there, but right here, sitting back in the city in my room, I'm having an experience very much like what I had out there in nature, and so that led me on this you know, decades long quest to understand more about that, to engage in a wide variety of practices, from Qigong and Tai Chi to Kriya Yoga, yoga and heart, math and Reiki, and on and on and on. That were embodied awareness practices, and so that's kind of how this all started and how it started to develop and brought me to where I am now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Beautiful. Thank you, I think it's really. It's just so nice to have that set up for everybody to to feel the background. So obviously this Qigong experience was, was really foundational. And then you know, adding to that, in the raising our vibration meditation series that you teach, it's subtle energy meditation right. Underlying both of these is this fundamental premise that the world is energetic and made of energy. Can you talk a little bit about that first, maybe as a way of laying the foundation for where we can go next?
Speaker 2:How does Qigong. And now, how do you see it? How do you see this subtle energy universe that we exist in?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, and in qigong you start to have a sense that your body is not this solid thing, but it's this field of energy and or actually nested fields of energy, I would would say Because in Qigong we learn that each major internal organ actually has its own frequency of energy and it has a corresponding color and emotion and sound.
Speaker 1:That is like the home frequency for each organ, and then the body as a whole has kind of a home frequency and that frequency of the human body developed and evolved within the frequency of the earth, the Schumann resonance and so on and so on.
Speaker 1:That reality is this kind of nested layers of frequencies that are all playing together like an orchestra right, and so the organs each have their, their own frequencies, but they're playing in this.
Speaker 1:This system of the body, that is, has its own home frequency, which is playing in the system of the earth, which has its own home frequency, and and when we are tuned into these frequencies, frequencies consciously it has a powerful effect on each organ, on the body, on our sense of connectedness with all beings and our planet and beyond. So Qigong really has frequency at its foundation in terms of a felt experience, and I think that's really the heart and soul of subtle energy, meditation and embodied practice is that it's a felt sense, so it's not something that you're conceptualizing, which is. Most of our lives are these days are about visual and conceptual information processing, which happens up here, but this is sees that the frequency of the body is an intelligence that you tune into through a felt sense of it and as you start to awaken that felt sense, it gives you a whole different experience of who you are, but also of your connectedness with all of life.
Speaker 2:It's amazing to hear you describe that from the Qigong point of view, which I mean how old is Qigong? Must be thousands of years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the term Qigong is relatively recent, but it means basically a practice of working with life energy, and that practice is thousands of years old in in China and India and so on. So, yeah, there's a there's a history of the practice, in terms of both moving forms and still meditative forms, that goes back thousands of years.
Speaker 2:And you know I'm just thinking about my interview and work with with Carolyn McMakin, who founded frequency, specific microcurrent, the technology to basically like Healy, to give frequencies to the body to heal, and in that you know she describes having a sheet of paper that was, you know, from from a physician in the early 1900s that kind of survived. There was a period of time where the, the frequency medicine and machines were made illegal in the early 1900s, right and but this. So a lot of those machines went into closets and, you know, put away so people wouldn't go to jail. But she describes this sheet of paper that was passed down that had all the different tissues and organs and the specific frequency that corresponded with each one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which, when I read about that and I've heard other David Gibson, other sound healers talk about this, but it's just, you know, it's incredible to hear and think about just letting the the you know mind kind of process what that really means, and then actually to hear you speak about how the Chinese actually knew this and this was integrated into Qigong and their practices. You know yeah, and, and, and long before, long before, before, long before, long before Western doctors figured that out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's certainly, you know, external. You know ways to intervene and affect the energy system from the outside. And Qigong is how do we affect it from the inside? Affect it from the inside, so through our attention, but also in the sense of the organs, each organ having a color, each organ having an associated pair of emotions, each organ having a sound frequency that, when you tune into the organ and you imagine, feel the color there, feel the emotion of that organ and tone, the sound frequency that that has a healing effect or that attunes that organ to its home frequency.
Speaker 2:Amazing, Amazing. And you know, the essence of this podcast is really to help people learn to bring, to bring these ideas back, you know, in a modern context. And how might we learn to work with them? You know, to help heal ourselves and support others, Right.
Speaker 1:Absolutely and and uh, thing is it. Thing is, you know, acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. It can get very complex and overwhelming, but there's some really simple things we can do internally that can just immediately shift the internal environment in which all our cells are existing. And that's what Qigong is about is, how do I tune into the inner environment and affect it in a way that creates a nurturing inner environment in which all the cells communicate well with each other and can thrive?
Speaker 2:Amazing. I'm wondering. I wasn't planning on doing this, but I'm wondering if you'd be willing to guide a short practice that would give people just a little taste or a flavor of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, yeah, I'd be glad to.
Speaker 2:Okay, great.
Speaker 1:So do you want me to do that?
Speaker 2:now. Let's do that now. How long do you want it to? Be, Maybe 10 minutes, 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:Okay, yep, can do that for sure. Great, all right. So if everyone would like to join in with this, this is something you can do seated in a chair with your feet on the ground. It in a chair with your feet on the ground. If you're in a place where you can do this, cup your hands with your thumbs, touching. Reason for that is that's a really open, receptive posture. So you just rest your hands down. That also helps to relax your shoulders and let's do this practice with eyes closed. So just take a moment to settle in, settle in your seat and I'm going to take you through a few physical cues to help relax your body and calm your emotions, quiet your mind and calm your emotions, quiet your mind, and then we'll do a very simple cue from Michigong to create a positive, nurturing inner environment. So if you begin by focusing down into feeling the sensation of contact of the soles of your feet on the ground, so you might kind of wiggle your toes and then let them soften, relax, as if they're melting down into the earth. So feel that grounded presence of the earth underneath you, supporting you, feel the weight of your body resting down in your seat, resting down on the earth, resting down on the earth. Focus into your palms resting cupped in your lap, and allow your hands to soften and relax, releasing any tension, feeling a soft openness in your hands connected to a soft openness in your hands, connected to a soft openness in your heart. As your hands and your heart relax and open. Allow your arms and shoulders to relax down, releasing any tension in your shoulders, your neck and your head. Imagine and feel as if a string is attached to the top of your head, drawing your spine gently upright like a string of luminous pearls. Feel your spine gently stretched from your perineum and tailbone right up through the core of your body and through the top of your head, like a stream of light flowing upwards right up through the top of your head and opening to the vast clear sky above. Feel that vast clear sky of awareness and tuck your chin just slightly, gently lengthening the back of your neck. Lightly close your lips and breathe in and out through your nose. So nasal breathing is calming to your nervous system. As you continue nasal breathing, rest your tongue up on the roof of your mouth with the tip of your tongue. Here.
Speaker 1:Softening your tongue is another calming cue that sends a relaxation signal to your vagus nerve in the center of your brain and that relaxation signal flows from the center of your brain and that relaxation signal flows from the center of your brain down through the vagus nerve, down through your heart relaxing your heart, down through your abdomen, relaxing your abdomen and down through your whole body. Feel that wave of relaxation in your whole body at once, the entire space inside your skin, relaxed and open as you feel that smile, a subtle, inner smile of calm happiness. Allow that feeling of smiling to shine out through your eyes. Release any tension from your eyebrows and your forehead.
Speaker 1:Now that relaxed feeling of smiling wash down through your whole body, from the top of your head down through your brain, down over your face, down the back of your head, down through your neck, shoulders and hands, down through your chest and upper back, your abdomen and lower back, down through your hips, legs and feet. Feel the entire space inside and including your skin, relax, open and smiling, as if every cell is smiling, radiating pure positive energy. Notice how you feel. You've now generated a relaxed, positive, nurturing inner environment in which every cell communicates with every other cell and all your cells work together, or health, felt, sense of well-being. Your body knows what to do to be well. There's an infinite intelligence in your body, in your energy field, in the one life we all share. Record that self-sense of pure positive energy in every cell and smile. Now, very slowly, begin to open your eyes. Feel that same positive energy in every cell in the space all around you with your eyes open. No difference, eyes closed or eyes open this final presence.
Speaker 2:Thank you for practicing along thank you so much for guiding that beautiful practice.
Speaker 1:How's that feel?
Speaker 2:It feels great, it feels really great. And what I notice is that and I'm just going to speak to the difference here, you know whereas a meditative I'm just going to speak to the difference here, you know whereas a meditative, traditional mindfulness, meditative practice is more focused on working with the thinking mind and watching thoughts, or changing our relationship to thinking. This practice is like bringing it into a, an, an embodied, like let's turn on the antenna of the radio, that is you, and start to notice what happens when you orient or tune to the different stations. You know the room, different parts of your body, and sort of notice them and develop a felt sense, not a about, uh, what? The liver? You know about it, but actually feeling it. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And and as we do that, as we awaken this felt sense, the thinking mind just kind of quiets in the background. That it's so, you know. I think most people think of meditation as quieting my mind or some version of that calming my emotions, quieting my mind and here. And if you try to quiet your mind, using your mind to quiet your mind, it's probably not going to happen.
Speaker 2:But if you activate your felt sense, your interoceptive, inner sense, and engage this other dimension of awareness that comes to occupy your consciousness so that thinking just is quiet, yeah, yeah, it's really a miracle in a lot of ways, for I think, for it was for me when I first started doing these practices with you, to learn this skill of interoception that I had never learned before, nobody had ever. You know, I didn't even know what that word meant Right, yeah, yeah. And so for those who don't know interoception, this word right Means actually to, it's like a feel, the felt sense of something Feeling, inner sensory experience. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, as you're aware of your energy field as this space of awareness, then you also notice what comes into that felt space. So thoughts might come through there, or emotions or different sensory experiences might come and go through that space, but it's a felt sense of awareness that is different from thinking that awareness is about right here.
Speaker 2:Correct, correct, and even the idea that, like seeing is happening right now and most of the time we're focused on the objects, so that we're looking at the lamp or I'm looking at a rose and we just sort of focus on the quality of the content. But this is actually asking you to kind of roll back and feel what does seeing feel like right? Yeah, it's like that it's like going back to the feeling experience of our sensory awareness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and so seeing is an event in awareness? Right, it's, it's all that. You've mentioned contents of experience. So one of the things that happens in qigong is you start, as you notice you felt, into different spaces, like a space of your feet, space of your hands, space of your spine, space of your body. So you start to feel these spaces and that starts to give you a felt sense of space itself, and then you start to feel how all this felt sense of space is what awareness is. Awareness is this open space within which there's contents of experience. Whatever those contents are thoughts, feelings, sounds they're all just contents arising in this space of awareness.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Space of awareness, and so this practice of qigong um, though, is less about the awareness itself, right, and it's more about cultivating a relationship, or attuning attuning might be a good word here attuning to the energetic universe and how we do that correct yeah, as a portal.
Speaker 1:So the the kind of ultimate practice and in qigong is to rest in what um they call. The term is wuji, which is formless, formless awareness so it has is just using the sense of the body and then the breath, which is more subtle, and the subtle energy, which is more subtle, and you're just bridging out into the sense of spaciousness and then gradually you're going from a gross sensory experience to a subtle sensory sensory experience, to more and more subtle, until it's just like space, until it's this formless, beyond space and time.
Speaker 2:Woogee I love that awareness itself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Another term for that within which all of this arises, ah okay, beautiful.
Speaker 2:And so I'm curious in these practices, and you know, you founded the Raising Our Vibration meditation community. You founded the raising our vibration meditation community and I think these concepts of frequency and vibration and what it means to raise our vibration can get a little confusing. And and what's coming to mind is like one how do we do that? But also, is there such thing as a bad frequency Cause? I tend to think there actually isn't. So what actually is happening when the you know, when we don't feel well or we feel like we're in a low vibration from an energetic universal point of view, what, what do you think is happening?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then leading into how we get out of it.
Speaker 1:Right, right. Well, I I view kind of that low vibration, feel heaviness, contracted feeling versus relaxation, or closeness versus expansiveness, rigidity versus flow. So these are all ways of talking about what happens to the energy system when we get sick or when we don't feel well mentally, emotionally, and the the kind of overall theory of qigong or principle is that that's a result of constriction of energy flow disease is the result of constricted energy flow which is a result of tension of some kind.
Speaker 1:That tension could be a trauma that gets locked in the body. It could be a way of thinking that makes me very rigid and not open to experience it. Could you know there can be many forms of that restricted energy flow flow. The practice of Qigong is to recognize the tension and release it and return to a natural, felt sense of openness and flow and connection versus that rigid, contracted separate feeling, and so the movement practices that Qigong does or the meditative it uses, both correct.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely so. Generally in Qigong you alternate between moving practices and still practices, and so often that you will do some movement first to kind of wake up the body, get you into the body in a felt sense of the energy and flow, and then you'll be still either seated or standing and go into a meditation similar to what we did today with the inner smile, what we did today with the inner smile. So inner smile is a great, just kind of simple practice of raising our vibration right when you relax your body and you just feel this presence and aliveness and smile in that natural, easy way, you're raising the vibration of your energy field. When you smile, you relax and you smile and you feel it. It's not like I'm trying to smile, it's just when you smile and you feel into smiling, it feels good. When you feel into smiling, it feels good and it feels like oh, this is a natural frequency that I'm tuning into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, agreed, it feels a little bit like you know, you feeling the river instead of a dam. Yeah, exactly the warm, the warm, open, flowing feeling yes as opposed to you know, maybe some places that are not moving or kind of stagnant or something like that exactly and the flow feels good.
Speaker 1:What we would describe in human terms is good yeah, yeah, and so relaxation is is primary in qigong so do you think that sorry, sorry to interrupt you yeah go ahead.
Speaker 2:Um, if we so, relaxation is primary. Do you think that, when the essence of raising our vibration is another way to just say restoring flow?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that, yeah, that fits in. There's a quality of happiness into it, that calm happiness, as I use that phrase. It's relaxed, but it's vital. It's present and it's natural. It's like we may have become disconnected to it, so doing these things might feel unnatural or we may not immediately be able to tune into our felt sense because it's atrophied.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's natural in the sense that when you are able to relax and tune in and feel inside your body and feel sense of presence and vitality just naturally feels good right right yeah, and we often you know, think, oh, if I go out in nature and then I feel into what it's like and being in nature, oh there's something there.
Speaker 1:but really we're kind of uh, I don't know, maybe we're allowing that, that power of the field of nature, to work on us, right we're, we're allowing ourselves to be open to that in a way that we might not allow in when we're sitting at the desk or at our computer. Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think there can be. I'll speak for myself. Like sometimes this word raising our vibration, the phrase can feel associated with like oh, I need to transcend and get to some angelic realms. Like I have this. There's a concept in my mind that high vibration is like linked to angelic realms or something, but I, through the practices that that I've done with you and and that you've, you know, you're exposing us to today, it feels like that it's actually a much more embodied flow. It's, it's, and what I want to say is cause. The mind can get kind of preoccupied with that. I think it's simpler than people realize that it is. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 1:No, I do and I, I, um. That's why I tried to give an example of a very simple in the body practice, that that it's really just simple inner sensory cues in a sequence that um and yes. So I do feel like it's. It's a tuning to the field that is here right now.
Speaker 1:We're just not tuning into it yeah we're um, so um, it feels like we're raising our vibration to a new level, when what we're doing is we're tuning into the field that is here, that is life, that is the life force within us that generates our life here, and that has, I think, a profound effect.
Speaker 1:That's a little different than thinking, oh, I'm going to go off into some other realm, which, yes, certainly there's practices that do that and they have their value.
Speaker 1:But it can lead to, oh, I just want to be there because I don't like how it feels here, and it can lead to kind of downgrading life in this body or life on this planet, or or bypassing things that are hard, like I feel some pain in my body. I don't want to be in my body, I want to be up there in that, in that sparkly realm, right, that where everything feels good, but then I come back into here and it doesn't feel good again, and so it creates a polarity. That Qigong just undoes all that, because it goes through the body, into the energy field, into the felt sense of connection with all of life and it's all here right now, and that tuning into the vibration of life itself and the source of life and what's that within which life is arising and all experiences are arising. That's what we're tuning into, yeah, yeah, we don't have to go anywhere for that, except tune into it right here, right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well said, yes, thank you. You know, I call it in my rewilding path in the book that I'm writing. I call it a tuning to the cosmic dance. There's a cosmic dance happening here, but we're, if we're listening to, you know, the news channel, a very noisy, angry news channel. That's the channel we're going to experience yeah and we can.
Speaker 1:We can absolutely shift the channel that we're, that we're listening to and um to the, to the life force, life giving cosmic dance that's happening absolutely, and yeah, and that news channel we're listening to is is most likely um instilling a feeling of fear and separateness and competitiveness and polarity, and that's an expression of life too. And so this awareness sees all of that's included. There's nothing that's not included. That's not included. And when I am resting as this open awareness within which everything's one, within which everything's included, it gives me a different relationship to what's happening, to the contents of experience, to that newscast. I'm not drawn into it or resisting it or pushing it away or angry about it. I may not choose to support that, but that's all part of life too. It's all a part of life. It's all arising in awareness and that gives us different relationship to everyone and everything that's happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean for me, one way I describe it is there's and I feel like this this principle of resonance is so important because if we follow what resonates with us, if we follow what resonates with us, you know which is another way of saying we follow like what, what makes our heart feel open and expansive, you know that it will guide us. You know home, as it were. You know that we have this instrument that's actually speaking to us, trying to show us what is what will be supportive, nurturing and life-supporting, through the language of frequency, through the language of resonance point that I think we often miss is that the painful experiences, the horror, the challenging experiences are pointing us in the direction.
Speaker 1:That is our path. Instead of pushing away a pain, we say, oh, let me tune into this body, energy, feel, mind, heart, and let me go into that. Because that's a signal from within, and when I go into that, I start to learn what it's telling me about how I'm relating to myself or to to every fluctuation in the field that doesn't feel open and flowing, that feels rigid and contracted, and to use that to show me how I'm doing that, so to speak, how I am contracting, and because, just like in a practice of Tai Chi, we learn how we are holding tension in our bodies. We have to recognize the tension so that we can let it go and release it. Same with discomfort is showing us where we're holding, where we're tense, where we're contracted, and so that's the signal that enables us to say, oh, I feel how I'm doing that. What happens if I just relax that a bit? When I relax it a bit, there's a little more flow of energy. Oh, that starts to feel better.
Speaker 2:Right. So you know, and I, yeah, I so I so agree that this pain that we feel is an invitation to go into it deeper, not to turn the other way and say I wish I didn't feel sad, but actually to start to work with the sadness. And so I'm curious, with somebody listening, there's so many people who are experiencing challenge. You know, we just had a big election. Some people, you know, I'm sure, aren't feeling good about that. Some people are feeling great about it. But you know, for those who are not, or something else in their life that is making them, let's say, sad, just we'll pick that one. What can you say again? Like, how do you, how do you advise somebody to begin to work with that frequency, to shift it?
Speaker 2:Because at the end of the day, it's a frequency. Sadness is a frequency, or maybe, maybe it's. Maybe it's not quite right to say there's an energetic pattern.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And there's a purpose to sadness too, which is to enable us to let go. And so every emotion, we think of positive and negative, of emotions, and I prefer to think of emotion as energy and information that we, that we, instead of thinking I want to, I don't want to feel sad. Okay, well, let's tune into the sadness and we learn how to do that skillfully. That's what we're doing in meditation is learning how to turn toward things, not away from things, and to relate to them and see if you can just be with that sadness. Just allow it to be and be with it and allow it to tell you where that's coming from, where that's arising, and any emotion attended to and given space will start to move, the energy will start to move.
Speaker 1:If we push the emotion away, it'll stay stuck. It'll stay there and we may not feel it because we're distracted by something else or we took, you know, or took some substance to get away from it. But when we turn toward an emotion and hold it and be with it, be present with it and learn, it's just energy and information. It's showing me something about how I am relating to life, to others, and there's a wisdom in every emotion, just like there's a wisdom in pain that when I turn toward it and I welcome it and hold it and let it be, then it starts to move and we start to restore flow by honoring what it's here to show us by honoring what it's here to show us Rumi's quote the wound is where the light enters, comes to mind here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I feel like these practices that you're talking about start to give us confidence in how to work with them intelligently. Yeah, more you do that, work, uh, and cult and cultivate the confidence that that this too shall pass. This too wants to move. It doesn't want to stay stuck. It actually is there to serve in service of your awakening and your freedom, right.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and we tend to. When we think about an emotion, we tend to make it into a static thing. But when we tune into an emotion and start to feel it in a sensory way, we start to see, oh, actually it's a movement, there's an energy there, maybe there's a tightening and a relaxing. Maybe you start to see, oh, it's not this one thing that I want to get away from. It's actually a living expression of energy and intelligence.
Speaker 2:And as I tune into that and I allow it to be and I allow it to flow, I allow it to flow, it resolves yeah, yeah, um, do you remember when you first understood that the body was an energetic body and um maybe made that shift from you know, just sort of seeing the body in in a more conventional way to a more energetic way?
Speaker 1:Um, well, it it began with um, with Tai Chi, yeah, and Chico yeah, back in 1984. It, um, and since it wasn't a lot of that kind of talk around or that kind of it really just rose through the practice, that sort of, as I was tuning into the body and feeling and becoming embodied in the sense of having a felt sense of my inner body and energy field. I started to, as I did that as a daily practice, that the energy, the practice started to teach me that yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's talk about that daily practice, because it's so important and I want, I would love for people to hear you know what do you recommend for somebody who might want to begin, you know, working with energy in this way? How do they begin a daily practice? What ideas and thoughts do you have on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, the first thing is, I would say, is to commit yourself to spending some time tuning into the felt sense of your body through breathing, or maybe it's through a guided practice. My main work focus these days is with the ROV meditation app, where we have hundreds of guided practices, from three minutes to 60 minutes to 60 minutes. So it's very easy to just tune into, just click and listen to a simple, short or long guided practice. So I would say start short. Anything is a good start. It's really the consistency that makes a difference. So spending a minute feeling the sensations of breath inside your body can be powerful, especially if you do that, start to do that multiple times during the day so that it starts to become a part of your every moment.
Speaker 1:Waking experience is to be tuned into, this felt sense of presence and aliveness and and um, awareness, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think short, start short and be consistent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it for most people. It's going to be most effective if you commit to doing something like this first thing in the morning, right when you get up. Because, number one, if you don't do it first thing, it's likely that the events of the day are just going to snowball and you're not going to do it at all, are just going to snowball and you're not going to do it at all. But if you just commit to, oh, the very first thing when I get up, I'm going to have some moment of intentional embodied awareness, whether it's focusing on my breathing or just feeling smiling and feeling grateful for my body and my life and this day, something to start your day in that way, and that becomes then kind of an anchor point that you can return to throughout the day. So if you've done that first thing in the morning, you kind of have a reference point of that in the day and then say you have a moment where you're just overwhelmed or stressed. You can say, oh, let me just take a moment and come back to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he. You know, in the meditation that I did, I guided a number of different cues and sequence. So for some, some people, feeling their feet on the ground and relaxing their feet is a great cue to get out of their heads and relax, because we hold a lot of tension in our feet. Or softening and relaxing the hands, or if you're feeling down, just sitting more upright and feeling that aliveness flowing up through your spine, or smiling, or attending to the sensation of the breath. If you can find one cue that really does it for you, then that's something you can use consistently and use it whenever you need it throughout the day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for that. And I want to put in a plug for your meditation app, because they're beautiful meditations there's so many, and the meditations the subtle energy meditation series is is in the app. So for people who you know want to go deep, that you know that series and then you wrote a book to accompany that and have a course, yeah, so we have, uh, raising our vibration.
Speaker 1:A guide to subtle energy meditation is the book, and then the subtle energy series on the map follows the book and then adds about 20 more practices after that. But, um, so that's a really nice sequence if you really want to go for it right away and if you just want to, you know, put your toes into it a little bit. We have many meditations that are as short as three minutes, and that's a nice way to get started. Again, it's consistency that's most important in practice, and because something you do every day starts to have a momentum and builds on itself and becomes something that you can reliably go to, versus doing something for an hour on the weekend but then forgetting about it during the rest of the week, when you really need it.
Speaker 2:I think what else is yeah, what else is really powerful that I feel compelled to say is, you know, doing a practice by yourself, in isolation, with just the app and the book, could be hard for many people, but you have a very vibrant community on Facebook and you have. You know, you actually have guide and online meditation. You know every week and then every other weekend. So I encourage people to. If you're inspired to begin this path, that joining the community is really like powerful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we have our raising our vibration community. Yeah, yeah, so we have our Raising Our Vibration Community Facebook page and we do have a ROV Meditation Book Club with a meditation each Thursday evening and then first and third weekend Saturdays of each month, we have a guided group practice. They're open to all, they're free, they're open to everyone and we post links on our facebook page and also, if you want to just be on the, if you're not on facebook, you want to get the email links, you can email me at raising our vibration sk at gmailcom and we'll put you on the mailing list and you can get the links to be on a on zoom with us, which it's amazing that we can. We have people from all over the world joining and practicing together and that's a great community and a wonderful feeling and really accepting, open, loving community there that you can join in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it really is. It's a very, very beautiful community and I again just thank you so much for the work that you're doing, thank you for coming on and sharing. I felt like you've given a lot of information and but also the practice that you led and it feels very, very much to me like you're just a, you're a real expert in helping people get you know, make these shifts quickly out of what can be a pretty confusing, you know spiritual path world into, and I love the grounded frequency aspects of of Qigong and the way you guide to really help people make those what are I mean. For me we're like beyond life, like absolutely life-changing shifts through these practices.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you, Holly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you. Anything else that you feel like sharing or feel like is important before we sign off.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that you know especially with you know we look at the world and we see so many events that may make us feel uneasy or insecure or afraid is to really turn around and realize that we can be cued internally in terms of how we feel, in terms of what we are bringing, rather than waiting for something in the world to happen to make us feel a sense of relaxation and happiness. If you're looking out there to try to have a sense of calm and peace, you're probably going to look. You may go to a place and have a moment of calm and peace, but what if it's right here? It's right inside and you can tune into it any moment, any time, and then bring that to all your interactions, bring that to the world and notice what a difference it makes. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Well said, well said Pieces, true pieces within. Yeah, absolutely yeah, all right, thank you again so much for coming on and I really encourage people to check out Kevin's resources, the Raising Our Vibration resources, or come to the community calls and meetings. They're very powerful and I just love how accessible and open and giving you are with all these resources.
Speaker 1:Thank you, holly, thanks for having me on and love the work you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you everybody for listening and blessings and love to wherever you are in the world. All right For now. Thank you all so much for tuning in. The greatest way you bring more of what you love into the world is to share what inspires you with others. If you loved this episode, please share it and leave a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform so others can find it too. Finally, this podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice. Please consult with a medical professional if you think you have a medical condition condition. The views expressed in this podcast are solely my own and those of my guests and do not necessarily reflect or represent the official policy or position of any agency, company or product mentioned here. Listener, discretion is advised. Goodbye for now, beautiful earthling. Take good care. I will see you soon.
