Wild for Frequency

Revolutionizing Health through Frequency with Dr. Jeff Vanderheym

• Holly Copeland • Season 1 • Episode 7

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Curious about how an innovative frequency therapy could transform your approach to health and wellness? Join us as Dr. Jeff Vanderheym, a seasoned chiropractor, unveils the secrets of Frequency Specific Microcurrent (FSM) therapy and its remarkable healing potential. Through Dr. Vanderheym's compelling journey, discover how FSM has become a powerful tool in his practice, enabling rapid recovery and reducing inflammation in ways traditional methods can't always achieve.

Together, we explore the intriguing scientific and holistic aspects of FSM, revealing how it addresses upstream causes of ailments by considering electrical changes at the cellular level. Delve into the fascinating parallels between FSM and biofield tuning, and learn how specific frequencies are meticulously determined to enhance therapeutic outcomes. We also highlight the impactful contributions of Dr. Carolyn McMakin in advancing frequency medicine, as well as the rewarding challenges of mastering FSM training.

Connect with Dr. Vanderheym:
drjeff@sunvalleychiro.com
office: 415-258-0303

Connect with Holly:
Website: https://hollycopeland.co
IG: @rewilding.anearthlinglovestory

Healy: https://hollycopeland.co/healy
1:1 Coaching: https://www.hollycopeland.co/innerrewilding
Biofield Tuning: https://www.hollycopeland.co/energy-healing

Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome to Wild for Frequency, a show where we explore our energetic universe, the frequencies that make up that universe, and how we can use frequency in everything that we do to improve our lives. I'm super excited today to introduce you to Dr Jeff Vanderheim. Jeff is a chiropractor who specializes in working with frequency, and in this conversation Jeff told some amazing stories about the people that he's helped through frequency. I found it especially interesting to learn that frequency changes cell signaling and for that reason, can undo a very long-standing problem in the body very quickly. Jeff has over 20 years of experience working with frequency, so this was a varied conversation. We covered a lot of ground and I think you're really going to get a lot out of this episode. Stay tuned and join me for my conversation with Dr Jeff Vanderheim. Well welcome, Dr Jeff Vanderheim. I am so excited to be speaking with you today. Welcome to Wild for Frequency.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for inviting me. Yeah, it's a pleasure to be here, and happy Halloween.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. Yes, happy Halloween Indeed indeed. So I want to begin with how you got into working with frequency, because you have been working with frequency, if I understand it, for like with Dr Carolyn McMacken, excuse me for over 20 years right, yeah, yeah, I think I took my first FSM in 2000, I think, or somewhere around, which was some distance away from my home.

Speaker 2:

But it was a colleague that both my wife and I knew quite well. My wife went to school with her and she was retiring because of repetitive strain issues and things like that. So I decided we decided that I was going to buy that practice and she had just gotten into FSM at that time, maybe a year or two prior.

Speaker 1:

Okay. And you might explain just what FSM is, because not everybody will know that's listening for the first time, maybe pause and say what it is and then continue.

Speaker 2:

Sure, fsm is frequency-specific microcurrent, which was pioneered by Dr Carol McMakin, and so my colleague, who was retiring, was using this in her practice and it just made perfect sense to me that, in order to facilitate an optimal transition and be able to offer the same services that people were already used to getting there, that it made sense for me to study this and learn it and provide it as well. So, and I took my first basic course this was way back when it was still being offered out of the Naturopathic College in Portland. So I went up to Portland and took the seminar and bought a machine and just began using it in practice and haven't looked back. I mean, it's over 20 years and it's really been a revelation and at this point I can't envision, uh, practicing without it. So, yeah, it's just the. It's just sort of trying to mold the FSM to fit my practice model, which is, I think, what a lot of practitioners do. But I felt like that might not necessarily be the best, the best way to use it, best way to utilize it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Okay, so for those who don't know, and just to remind you, so, dr Carolyn McMacken that developed FSM. I spoke with her so you can go back to a previous podcast episode and get the whole details about from her, about FSM. But just to briefly recap here for folks, fsm uses two frequency channels at once. So this is one of the the distinguishing characteristics of this technique and, uh, you apply it directly to the body and these different frequencies and we'll, I'm sure we'll go into this, um, but just to give them a primer that these frequency, these different frequencies, operate at different organs and tissues of the body to facilitate healing.

Speaker 1:

So you're a, you're a trained chiropractor, you're you're just discovering this for the first time. You actually decide to to reorient your whole business around this. It must've I mean, nobody does that unless profound things are happening and so what I want you to describe for us is like this must have been. You like I'm feeling like light bulbs must have been going off in your mind, like wow, because you wouldn't do that if the technique wasn't so powerful. So give us a feeling for like what were you feeling? What were you feeling, what were you thinking as you're discovering this for the first time?

Speaker 2:

Well, I had a bit of an advantage on that, because when I bought the practice, there was a transition period, and so I was able to witness this other doctor using the microcurrent with her patients at the time. So I was already beginning to see the benefits and I don't know. I just knew that this was something that was. I just knew that this was something that was really game changing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and so do you remember some of those benefits that you were seeing any I don't know specific clients or specific stories of something that stood out to you, that that that was game-changing for you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like there were people that, for example, had repetitive strain injuries that were coming into the practice and the FSM was really helping to address these problems. For these people, I mean, chiropractic is effective in some cases, you know, chiropractic is effective but it's only part of the issue. Like, the chiropractic is great, it helps address the structural biomechanical component, but what I felt was missing was the soft tissue aspect of these injuries, of these injuries, and so that's where the FSM really really was phenomenal and what it could do as far as helping to relieve some of these symptoms and correct these problems that people were having.

Speaker 1:

How was it for back issues? I know a lot of people go to chiropractors for back issues.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

What were you noticing there?

Speaker 2:

Well, um, people that one of one of the amazing uses that I use the FSM is people that have chronic low back issues, including disc problems. And when, when we can get the inflammation down in the disc and get the inflammation down in the facet joints, which are the articulating joint surfaces of the spinal vertebrae, then you can calm everything down. And you know, when you get the inflammation out of the disc and especially if it's irritating the sciatic nerve, you can, which is the main nerve that runs down the back of the thigh and the leg to the foot.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And so you can create a lot of relief for people.

Speaker 1:

And so I'm imagining somebody listening to this going get the inflammation down, thinking yeah, you know, that's actually inflammation is the root of a lot of disease, and yet Western science has been completely, really largely unable to understand how to get inflammation down in a systemic way in the body. Describe how how does it work in FSM with in terms of getting inflammation down. What frequencies do you use what? How do you apply it?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that work? Yeah Well, for example, if I'm treating someone's low back, I'll have I'll have a damp towel on the low back, I'll have a damp towel on the abdomen, and if they're having radiating pain down one of their legs, then I'll also wrap a towel around the affected foot. And so we can get the. We can by using 40 is the on the on the A channel is a common frequency that we use. That reduces inflammation, in fact. In fact there's. There was a study in FSM that that, where inflammation was reduced by 62% in four minutes.

Speaker 1:

Wow.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

That against 62% in four minutes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean, so I mean, this is with the.

Speaker 1:

This is with 40 Hertz, which Dr Carolyn McMacken in her book the resonance effect, which I highly recommend for anybody who hasn't read it. Yes, Thank you for showing it. That book has a whole chapter on the benefits of 40 Hertz.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, so we have frequencies for the disc, the different parts of the disc, and we have free. We have a frequency for nerves, and so we just, we just treat all of the tissue parts that can be involved in this situation and then people walk out in a much better than the way they than when they came in.

Speaker 1:

Wow, and do you see this regularly? I want to ask you some questions about what you just said, but before I go to that, do you see this regularly, like somebody is in a lot of back pain and you do these treatments and they, their lives, are changed. They walk out different.

Speaker 2:

They're. They're definitely improved when they leave.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, now what what I? But what I do notice with fsm, though, is it's not always an immediate effect, and I noticed this with myself too um, the the benefits of, of the treatment continue to work after the patient leaves, and, and so sometimes the benefit isn't noticed right away, but sometimes it can be a day or even a couple of days later, where someone says and I've had this experience myself oh, this doesn't hurt, it doesn't hurt like it used to, and I'm, and I just became aware of it because something that used to set set it off doesn't. So the effects can be a little bit latent, and I think we're and we're all different, so not everyone has the same response time, and of course, it also depends on how well hydrated a person is.

Speaker 2:

And it's so important If they're not well hydrated, they're not going to get a good result.

Speaker 1:

So I think that really speaks to hydration overall and the importance of it. You know, when I work with people with Healy frequency technology I work with, we talk about hydration and then, or biofield tuning. It's like when you start to see that the body's an electrical system first and foremost and that water is the carrier right Is that right Of the electrical signals, then you know, having good, clean, structured water becomes super.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, you know, sometimes people think, well, this electricity stuff is kind of weird. But I mean, when I explain to people that there is not a single chemical reaction that happens in the body that is not dependent on charge on electricity, is not dependent on charge on electricity, on a positive and a negative, so everything happens from that.

Speaker 1:

And yeah, yeah, well, it's really incredible, isn't it, that, basically, our Western medical system uses a biochemical model for treatment. This is FSM, and other frequency technologies are based on a primary electrical model of which biochemical reactions happen. And and yet it just surprises me that this, what, this truth of what you're saying, that every chemical reaction actually has a charge and Western medicine knows this.

Speaker 2:

Of course they know it.

Speaker 1:

Then why have they not? Why has it taken, and is continuing to take, so long for this medicine? You know this these treatments to gain hope.

Speaker 2:

There's many reasons. There's many reasons.

Speaker 1:

Okay, fair enough. There could be a long conversation, just about that.

Speaker 2:

That's a whole other podcast.

Speaker 1:

Okay, yeah, it's complex. There's money, there's power, there's lobbies, there's all those things, it's politics, it's the whole shooting match there. Okay, we'll leave that in that bucket on the shelf, let's not go into there.

Speaker 1:

What I wanted to actually go roll a little bit back to was a statement you said when you were talking about treating the back, and you know I really want to highlight this for people. So we talked about 40 hertz. Is this key frequency for inflammation? Sure, and then what you said was okay, well, the discs have a frequency, the nerves have a frequency. Like you're not talking, like people understand. This is not woo woo, we're not like talking about some hypothetical thing. We're talking about an actual frequency, right, like if I asked you what the disc frequency is, you know, you might even know it off the top of your head, you know.

Speaker 2:

Well, there are three 336, 30 and 710.

Speaker 1:

Sorry, what are they?

Speaker 2:

330, 630 and 710.

Speaker 1:

330, 630 and 710.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Excellent. So like, look at this, people, there's like real, actual frequencies and and uh, that are that are associated with this, and the premise of FSM is that when we give the body the frequencies of these tissues let's say the disc and you pair that or you couple that with 40, the frequency to reduce inflammation, you send a signal to the body to reduce inflammation in the disc. If the disc is 330 or or something like that, Right, that's the, that's the basic model, that's the premise and that's what you see happens. And that's what Carolyn describes in her book about what she sees happen. Yeah, yeah, so it. What I love about FSM is it's so, it's like my logical science mind really likes it. It feels so logical.

Speaker 2:

You know it is, it is and and it's. You know, I've, I've always believed that. You know, we, we, we, we try to. We try to treat people as upstream as possible, in other words as close to the source, or treating the underlying cause. That's kind of the first principle, kind of the first principle. And so we do that with FSM because we can. But we also treat locally because it's the right thing to do, because the patient comes in with a symptom and they want it dealt with and that's the ethical thing to do also.

Speaker 2:

So you know, but what I'm leading to with this is that I feel like when things go awry in the body, it starts by electrical changes at the cellular level. The electric charge of the cell becomes dysregulated somehow through stress, trauma, infections, toxins, what have you. And so the biochemical changes happen downstream from that. They happen later as a result of the electrical changes at the cellular level have already happened. And then, once those biochemical changes have gone on for a long enough period of time, then you can pick it up on a lab test and see how the biochemistry and that's when you know. But the thing is, is Western medicine most often intercedes once they see the biochemical changes on a lab test and they try to fix it with a medication. But that's treating downstream, yeah, yeah, and so what I love about the FSM is it allows us to treat more upstream.

Speaker 1:

Mm, hmm. And so how do you discover those, as you, or as you pointed out, as I said rightly, because I so agree with you and it can it's similar to the work that I do with biofield tuning, where we, you know, look at those traumas and those situations that trigger the lower back pain isn't just random lower back pain. It actually got triggered from a series of traumatic events that led right to that. Right, Right.

Speaker 1:

How do you find those upstream trigger events so that you can really treat them at the source and not just the back pain?

Speaker 2:

Well, talk to the patient. That's like. That's really really, really important is to is to ask, ask questions. You know, ask questions in the case, history and uh and and really focus on those things that um again can alter cell signaling, which stress, trauma, infections and toxins.

Speaker 1:

Are the things that alter the signaling?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and I mean that's a huge when you look at just trauma and stress. I mean that in and of itself is a massive thing. Yeah, because we're all subject to that. But so it really starts with asking good questions and then that gives us sort of it's like you sort of have to Sherlock Holmes this a little bit. You know and and and and, but the patient is going to give you a they're, they're going to guide you as far as where to begin. They give you a thought process, you know to go down, and and then we, we have an idea and we test the idea with the frequencies, we see what the patient's response to the care is, and then that, and then it's sort of that's kind of how it works.

Speaker 1:

And are you saying that there are frequencies then for for various forms of stress, for emotional problems, for toxins, for metals, mold? Are there frequencies for all those things?

Speaker 2:

There are frequencies for a lot of those things.

Speaker 1:

And then my curious mind just goes like how are these frequencies figured out?

Speaker 2:

how are these frequencies figured out, that that well, um, the, the original frequencies um were, and it it's uh carol chronicles this in in the resonance effect. As to um, that uh, george, that George Douglas was working with a osteopath, harry Van Gelder, who had a machine and these frequencies, and that's kind of how it started. But how additional frequencies have been elucidated, I think is, you know, a lot of it is trial and error and reproducibility and you know see which ones work and which ones don't, don't?

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, and I'm thinking even now of even ways, like you know, john Stewart Reed, who's a technician that studies simographs and studies the sound, vibration and the patterns of different substances and different sounds, and so there's this merging, it seems like, of of science with, with the technologies like this, to actually show what these very specific frequencies are for everything in the known universe.

Speaker 2:

Well, and you know, the technology lags behind a lot of the time because we have these ideas or these beliefs or these theories or hypotheses, but a lot of times you can't. It's hard to prove until the technology is developed to the point where you can prove it, prove what you always thought was true.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, that's how science works, right, it just takes time. Yeah, I'm really, as you know, speaking to this upstream and getting to the upstream, I want to um. The story that came up in my mind was a story that Carolyn um tells uh, in her book, and she tells this story of working on a woman, I think she had back pain. Who this had this back pain. It wouldn't go away.

Speaker 1:

And then she started asking intelligent questions to this woman about you know where this came from and where the first source was. And she says well, I was having an argument with my husband about putting out the trash and I like, angrily put out the trash and, you know, had this injury. And I like, angrily put out the trash and, you know, had this injury. And then what Dr McMeckin dove was then went back and actually started to work on the emotion of anger and tied to, you know, the back. And then that was actually when this, the pain really unlocked for this woman. She had to actually trace it back. Is that the kind of thing you're talking about with the work?

Speaker 2:

That's exactly the kind of thing. Yeah, you, you ask questions and you thread it. You try to thread it back to the origin of it as best you can, and and then you start there. There's your working hypothesis and that's how you begin.

Speaker 1:

Wow, very, very cool. So you're like a modern, you're a detective of this person really looking holistically at their life and what led to whatever experience they're having, whatever yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's really, it's sleuthing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and so how do you feel about this technology now? And you know what?

Speaker 2:

where do you think it's going and just what are you most excited about in in the work that you do? Well, um, I think, I think for me, the the most exciting part is to be able to have a positive impact on a person's quality of life and where, for example, I? I I just finished working with a patient who, for years, for years, she would say that whenever she would bend her head forward, she would get dizzy and nauseous. She would get dizzy and nauseous. And she came in and I was treating her for a broken toe. That happened in yoga class, because a block fell on her toe and she was like a month away from going to Mexico on holiday and she needed that toe fixed so she could walk around in comfort.

Speaker 2:

So I only found out about the neck issue once she was on the table and started treating her for the, for the fracture, and so then I, because I have multiple machines um, we can walk and chew gum at the same time so, and, and, of course, people, when they get to, when they're, you know, a little older people don't come in with just one thing, they have more than one thing. So, uh, I was treating her neck and it took a number of visits, but at the end she said I'm not, I'm not dizzy anymore, I mean, and so like that. That's huge when someone doesn't have that albatross around their neck, so to speak, and you change the quality of their life and it's just different for them in a good way.

Speaker 1:

Amazing, isn't that it feels like my, I just want to go like yeah, that's what medicine, that's what doctors are supposed to help us with, right?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, or people, people that have longstanding neck issues and they have trouble turning their heads. So if we can get a few more degrees of motion in their neck because of what we do, that increases their safety behind the wheel, because they can turn their head more.

Speaker 1:

Amazing Any other like really remarkable stories that come to mind of the people.

Speaker 2:

There was a case of electrocution. This was early on when I was using FSM, fsm, um, someone had stepped in a puddle that a downed power line was yeah and so anyway, um, and their, so their leg was just didn't feel right because the the whole, the whole polarity of the nerve just got totally, um, dysregulated. So, uh, I ran, I ran 40 and 396 from her low back to the affected ankle, to the affected foot, um, and she was fine, she was back to normal. I think it took one or two visits, that was it. She was done.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so just like things like that that affect the quality of a person's life, yeah, and like, for example, ptsd at I and like, for example, ptsd. So I mean because of the past four years plus, of course, I think practically the whole world has been pts. And um, she, um. She was on honeymoon with her husband in mexico and they were assaulted and robbed at gunpoint, pistol whipped and all that, and so she had, she had PTSD from this experience, understandably so, and so I began using the protocols on her for that and would be exposed to the stimulus that used to cause all these physical symptoms for her. She'd be exposed to the stimulus and her body didn't, didn't take the bait anymore, so she didn't have these physical things. Uh, that that followed when the trigger happened amazing, yeah, yeah, amazing, I mean so and that's how, and that.

Speaker 2:

That's a really amazing example of how the FSM changes the cell signaling. Yeah Right, so it doesn't respond in the same way that it used to before.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so you and I talked about this a little folks. So I actually went in for a session with Dr Vanderheim, which was incredible, and in that conversation I remember you talking about the way that this work resets. It's like a system reboot, almost electrically, isn't it? That's kind of what you're describing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, Because when, when tissue gets sick, for example, the cell signaling changes. And then, of course and we just talked about this because the cell signaling changes, the electrical gradient changes, and then you have all these other downstream effects.

Speaker 1:

What do you mean? The electrical gradient? Can you describe that a little bit?

Speaker 1:

Positive and negative at the cell membrane and and and where the chemical reactions happen, that there's a shift there from from optimal to other than optimal okay okay, okay, and so the system begins to struggle okay, so the right, the the, the way that the um patterns were were set, the positive and negatives of the cell were set up before switches it's basically right, yeah, yeah, yeah, things change from normal to something other than. Other than normal. And so this technology, fsm and the other technologies I think, that do this like Healy. They're basically like doing an electrical reset on the cell.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it reminds the tissue of what normal is supposed to be.

Speaker 1:

Okay, yeah, hmm, okay.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so like, for example, with that, with that woman that had the electrocution, um, you know it, we repolarize the nerve and it just it's okay, this is, this is what normal is supposed to be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and so does the cell. Sometimes it takes many sessions, right, people? The cell doesn't necessarily just take it once, it might take weeks.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Reminding the cell what this, what the signal is, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think that a lot of that can depend on the chronicity of a problem too.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so if it's a fairly mild or recent thing might need less coaxing than something that somebody's had for a longer period of time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but you know like it depends on the severity too, you know so, yeah, but you know, usually like with, with, with people, you know we we work with them once to twice a week for about, you know, six to eight weeks. You know it depends on availability and things like that, but yeah, Does it tend to stick after that?

Speaker 1:

You know, once you've the changes do tend to persist.

Speaker 2:

I mean, this is an amazing thing. You know. It's not like, for example, when you give someone a medication or something like that, where it works temporarily, then when it wears off because the problem is back, because it hasn't been solved, it hasn't been addressed. But this, when you reset cell signaling again, you're dealing with upstream.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, again you're dealing with upstream. Yeah, are there other ways other than fsm that you personally practice or recommend to your clients to support? You know harmonizing the cells and cell signaling. Like drinking good water I'm, I'm, but like what are your feelings about? You know, food and other just ways that we can support a better electrical, healthy electrical body environment. What? What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2:

Well, we live in a complex environment. We live in a complicated world where there's a lot of moving parts and so, you know, dealing with more complex issues, you have to there. It's a multi-spoked wheel, so you can't just depend on one thing. Uh, and you, you know. So you have to look at, uh, you know persons, what, what they're doing, uh, I mean, we only see them for a small fraction of their life. What are they doing the rest of the time? Uh, and what other supporting things might help them to return back to that stable state? Because it's really all about creating a stable state for the patient, because that's where optimal regulation can can occur.

Speaker 1:

Um, yeah, this is where well I know in in my work and what I talk about a lot is. This is where I think being in nature and connecting to nature's frequencies, doing things like grounding and of course, eating fresh foods. You know organic, as you know, intact as possible. All these things are putting into our system. You know frequencies that are harmonized already for us. Do you agree with that? Yeah, I totally.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know frequencies that are harmonized already for us.

Speaker 1:

Do you agree with that?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I totally yeah, you know, food is, food is a huge one, because the food supply, unfortunately, has become so corrupted For the same reasons. Well, you've got all those political things which, um, but so food is, is is a huge thing. You know, sometimes, uh, I'll refer someone out for acupuncture, uh, you know, as an adjunct, or to get a massage, you know, um, or for pt. I mean, there there are all these resources that are available that are helpful. Yeah, so it's not just a single thing, and especially if you're working with someone that has a more complex thing happening, such as Lyme, right.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, and and how does that do you treat, obviously, people with Lyme, with mold, with these more complex things? How does that work?

Speaker 2:

Well, often they're already working with a medical provider or a naturopath, so that's good and I, you know, I get a sense of what they're doing and then you know they just that person is helping them with that end of it. You know, and I'm doing the structural work, chiropractically, and the FSM, and then making other recommendations, but it yeah, when you're, when you're working with more complex issues, people, people need more than just one thing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, sure, that makes sense.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, mm. Hmm, yeah, sure that makes sense. Yeah, you find a lot of people that are that experience FSM and have these breakthroughs, like they're very surprised, like why isn't more of this available or why isn't this more widely known? Is that a common? It's. It really is curious, you know, in a way, especially when when other, let's say their medical doctor, you know, and sometimes it's like there's no curiosity at all, like what did you do or how you know? It's like, but there's there's no curiosity, there just doesn't seem to be any. And I mean that that's just. You know people get into their own little thing and you know they get busy and they get overwhelmed, so sometimes that's difficult.

Speaker 1:

But yeah, I mean, it just makes me so like you and I, we're like curious cats, right, let's wait, wait, wait. How does this work? What's yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, uh, anything else that you want to that I haven't asked you that you, you know, would love to share um about this, about FSM and the work it's just.

Speaker 2:

it's incredibly rewarding and and it's also intimidating at the same time, because we don't you and and the it. Whenever I go to an FSM training, it's it's like trying to drink through a fire hose and and you know it's, but it's, it's just the, the knowledge that that we get from it and the ability to change lives is it really is a privilege and a gift, you know. So that's a huge thing. That's a huge thing, and to be able to address issues at the level of cause or much closer to the source of them is also it's so rewarding.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thank you for being a pioneer in this work and for bringing frequency medicine into the world and for all of the people's lives that you touch. I know there are many, and you know one person at a time, as Dr Carolyn McMacken says one person at a time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you knowacken says right, one person at a time. Yeah, you know that's what she's. You know, changing medicine one person at a time, one patient at a time, yeah, yeah. And just her legacy is, and what she has brought to the lives of doctors and patients. I mean, she's changed my life, that's for sure. She's changed my wife's life, because my wife works in the office with me she's the other doctor here and and and then we've been able to use that not only with patients but our daughters and you know. So, you it just it's like a stone in the in the pond and the ripple effect is is it's vast yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, thank you for being one of those people bringing this to the world. And how can people?

Speaker 2:

and it's also fun. I didn't say that before, but it's so fun. You know, it can be frustrating too at times, sure, but it's so fun to be able to do this for people. There's this feeling of I don't know. I mean, it's not woo-woo and it's not magic, but it's kind of like a Harry Potter experience. It is.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I actually think magic. Magic was the word that popped into me, to my mind, because when I was on your table and we were working, it felt like magic you know, so non-invasive. You know you're just clipping some alligator clips to a wet towel, you know, and putting some frequencies through it.

Speaker 2:

It seems like remarkably simple and elegant in a way, and magical, and you know it really is changing people's lives in profound ways yeah, yeah, but when you're, but it's, you're also dabbling in physics too, because when you're changing cell signaling, this is the world that you're up, you know, you're working, you're operating in the world of frequency right in that sense.

Speaker 1:

It's not magic, right, we understand actually very clearly what's happening. It's there's no thing about this. This is like.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's like it's always there. It's always been there and we're just kind of trying to catch, catch on and understand after the fact what's going on. It's like tuning into a radio station, like that. That. That radio station frequency is always there, it's just are you tuning into it or aren't you?

Speaker 1:

right, right, exactly so this stuff has been. Yeah, yeah, you're really we. You are tuning into the way that we can affect cell signaling and affect the health of the body through a totally different mechanism than is, you know, practiced broadly by the rest of.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm looking at the graphic behind you with the heart and the brain, graphic behind you with the heart and the brain, and that, that's that. You know, it's like what? What's that? What's that connection about and how does that connection operate? And it happens on a, on almost. I mean yes, physics, but there's magic to it too right, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1:

It feels, yeah, it's physics, magic, it's all over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah well, um, I think it's a really sweet place to end um, and I will put the contact information for you in the show notes. So if anybody wants to come get a session, I highly recommend you're in the bay area yes, thank you and I highly recommend getting a treatment from Dr Vanderheim. It's it was really an amazing experience and, yeah, I really believe in the power of what you do and I'm so, so glad you're doing this work.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, Holly yeah.

Speaker 1:

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