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Wild for Frequency
Wild for Frequency explores the human experience through the lens of frequency. Your host, Holly Copeland is an ecologist, mystic, and lover of all things related to sound, frequency, and music. She draws on her expertise as a scientist and lifelong student of spirituality to bring you conversations with thought leaders and experts on how the vibratory nature of the universe operates within our human bodies and shapes every aspect of our world.
Wild for Frequency
Spoon Bending, Levitation and The Art of Doing Impossible Things with Zenka Caro and Adam Cupell
Is there a recipe to learn to do impossible things like spoon bending and levitation? Indeed, there is according to Zenka Caro and Adam Cupell. Join us for a conversation like you've never heard before where we talk about the art of doing impossible things and manifesting miracles.
Get ready to explore the "wishing game," an engaging exercise that can help you uncover your deepest desires and align with your true purpose. Zenka and Adam share how this simple yet powerful game can lead to profound self-reflection and personal satisfaction. We discuss the importance of authenticity and how living in resonance with your passion not only enhances your own life but also inspires others to follow their authentic paths, breaking free from limiting beliefs. You'll learn how authenticity and alignment can create a harmonious energy that transforms not only your life but those around you.
We then dive into the transformative power of collective manifestation and living in alignment with your true purpose. Adam and Zenka share fascinating insights on how collaborative efforts and shared intentions can amplify your potential. We cover topics such as the neuroscience behind phase lock and the significance of synchronized group efforts. By embracing lucid living and understanding your true preferences, you can foster a belief in your potential and create a life filled with purpose and passion.
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Hello and welcome to Wild for Frequency, a show where we explore our energetic universe and the frequencies that make up that universe, and how we can use frequency in everything that we do to improve our lives. And I'm really excited today to introduce you to Zenka Karo and Adam Kapel, two extraordinary individuals who founded an organization called lightnetorg, an organization called lightnetorg, and at lightnetorg, what they really do is they help people do impossible things and then share that data with the world things like bending a spoon or levitating and they have something called purpose labs and they get people into groups to actually manifest whatever it is that they want to create in this reality. This was a really amazing conversation and we really dove into the way that resonance and the experience of resonance is fundamental to to live the life of our dreams. It was a super, super fun conversation. I know that you're gonna love it too. If you are someone who is finally ready to live your purpose in this world, this episode is for you.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of Wild for Frequency. I am so delighted today to have these two very special people with me that I've been visited in Sedona and done some work with and had an amazing time learning how to spoon bend with them and we will get into that. But I want to really welcome Zanka Caro and Adam Kapel from lightnetorg to the show. Welcome you guys. I'm so happy to have you here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great to spend time with you, Holly. You're a genius in your own right and we loved working with you here in Sedona and watching you just turn that whole room into such powerful experiences for so many people.
Speaker 2:It was really astounding, oh my gosh. Well, thank you, I did the spoon bending with you and I was just wowed by this experience and we'll get into that, but it was amazing and I think this work that you're doing. So I want to just let our audience know this. This is really fascinating, the work that they're doing, and their theme, their umbrella for light net is how people do impossible things and then sharing that data with the world and what like. I just feel like this is such an incredible umbrella that you have how people do impossible things. I love that, and so can you just start by sharing a little bit about how you got into this, a little bit about your story, so our listeners can get to know who you are?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I mean, the entire future is littered with challenge and opportunity and and different things. And if we could face those opportunities with an attitude that we could handle anything that comes our way, we'd be ready for the future. Anything that comes our way, we'd be ready for the future. And so we're literally taking that concept to the 12th degree. So we study how people do things that we traditionally say that's not possible Someone getting out of their wheelchair, someone levitating, someone bending a spoon. So if, all of a sudden, you take that off the table and you say, okay, this stuff is actually possible, then by default pretty much anything is possible. And that's what we've kind of discovered is that we've lived our lives in a cage of our own probability, of our own beliefs, of our own whatever, when actually, if we want to go into lucid living and a renaissance, a global renaissance, we're going to have to open those possibilities even bigger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely Absolutely. And so just give me a little bit about what. What led you? Can you just say a little bit about, like, how did you get into spoon bending? What led you to this kind of work?
Speaker 1:Well, it was one of the strangest experience I've ever had in my life. I was going through a dark night of the soul I was living in in LA and I don't really know how, but I ended up on Jack Houck's webpage and the whole thing went. It was like a tunnel, it was like being in a wormhole, and I looked at his face and I was like what is going on? And it it was the most ridiculous concept to me that someone could bend a spoon with their mind, Like I absolutely was filled with so much confusion and giggles and like you know, wait a minute, you know it. Just it captivated me in every way and he was dead by the time that I read his website. But he was a scientist and he basically told how he did it and he did it for 16,000 people. And so I read the whole thing and he's like, yeah, you got to get 15 people together. And I was like, oh my gosh. And so I went to the thrift stores and got the stuff. And then I didn't want to do it in my apartment in LA because you were supposed to scream and everything. I was like this isn't good, so I had to like ask someone else, and no one I knew was into any of this stuff. So it was just, it was a very bizarre experience getting this whole thing together.
Speaker 1:And I did, and we only had 14 people there and the woman that was supposed to come to do the, to do the spoon bending, canceled on me because apparently for his directions you need at least one spoon vendor to create the belief change. And she canceled and I was like, oh well, and I'm at a park with my son and, um, I'm just like I don't think I can do this because I don't have the confidence to do it. I had tried the night before, like couldn't do it. Then, all of a sudden, out of the sand dune that I dug my kid into in the playground, I lifted up a white plastic spoon that was bent like that, and the guy walked by with a t-shirt that said just do it. And I was like, oh, I get there. There's only 14 people, only 14 people.
Speaker 1:This girl. I'm like we need more. You know what I mean. And so she calls her dad, who's like a metallurgist. And so he came and we did it and I couldn't sleep that night. It was. I was like this is insane and and I just wanted to really do it again and again, and again and research it more and more, because our consciousness is more fundamental than matter. But we don't think of it like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, we don't. And I got chills just running down my back as you were telling your story and I got chills just running down my back as you were telling your story and the power of this it's like it really can't be understated. As somebody who went and did this experience with you guys, and I just have to confess to everybody listening, when I did this, I was the last person in the room to bend my spoon. I am like such a scientist of mine and I was really struggling to get out of my mind. Even though I turned and watched the woman next to me bend the spoon with her mind, she didn't even touch the spoon.
Speaker 2:I like watched the spoon bend down and I'm just like this is unbelievable. I can't believe I'm seeing this with my eyes. You know and you know, and we're there doing it. And finally, finally, I turned to my left. Somebody yelled at me to do it and I, just like you said, I felt the whole thing go to squishy metal and it just like, all of a sudden it was done. It was the weirdest thing ever. Like has to be one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when we get out of the logic that rules our belief system like I will get out of this wheelchair, I will cure myself of cancer, I will find my purpose. I will quit out of this wheelchair, I will cure myself of cancer, I will find my purpose, I will quit drugs or whatever. That mountain, that crazy mountain, is for you. It's getting on the other side of the belief, because if we can bend spoons, we can quit drinking or we can quit you know, we can get out of the, we can get out of the wheelchair. So it becomes a process of when, not how, not if, which is. It's a little overwhelming to think about it, but once you get a feel for it, it's liberating Because we get to like Adam's research with lucid living. We get to like Adam's research with lucid living. We get to actually lucidly design and live our lives when we stop to actually first imagine like what is it that we actually want? What do we want you?
Speaker 1:know, I was in a call the other day and this guy, carl's like yeah, you know, we don't even spend time thinking about that, and I have spent many years of my life confounded by the fact that it's hard to think about something new that doesn't exist in your own life or in the world. And so we just don't do it, we just don't spend time dreaming.
Speaker 2:No, no, I really appreciate that point and I think we get stuck in a box such that we can't even imagine what we really want. We're blocked from even that pure visioning, unless we have aid or help.
Speaker 3:We have a game we've developed and hopefully it'll be fun and interesting for yourself and your and your listeners and viewers. We call it the wishing game. Additionally, you find a magic lamp and you rub it. The genie comes out and says you get three wishes and one of the rules is you can't have more wishes. Not our game. Our game is your first wishes. I want, ultimate, as many wishes as I could ever imagine I could want and use. You get as many wishes as you absolutely want, okay, okay, limited wishes. What was Spencer's thing, do you remember? It was just people had a hard time with unlimited. So if that's a hard word for you, then whatever is maximum wishes, that's what you get, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, sounds great.
Speaker 3:Okay, Okay. And then the first round of the game goes for a week. You go for a week and you start wishing and go ahead and write some down and after you write, like the top, couple the really big ones down. Then at the very least, when you make a wish, just make a hash mark and count how many wishes you did and at the end of the week just answer this question for yourself what was my big wish? Because you can change it, you can wish to change it, of course. And then what did that experience tell me about myself? And at the end of the week? And one of the things we found is a lot of people wish for another week, just a week to keep wishing so keep wishing Interesting.
Speaker 3:Keep playing the game and of course, that can be the rest of your life if you'd like it to be. That's one of the wishes that you can have.
Speaker 1:Because consciousness, we often don't feel worthy to have our dreams come true, or we don't think the world is able to handle that, or it's just not going to be in alignment. But really, the only thing blocking us from living almost like a child in receiving what we're calling in or intending, is our own blocking, our own like we stop it from happening because of various things. We're told that we shouldn't. You know, you can't make money doing what you love, or we were told that you know all these different things, and. But it's actually just a belief and when we hold it it gets stronger and harder to overcome. So it's we want people to have the experience of hour and a half and you just go, okay. Well, after the hour and a half, you know, I'll go back to thinking that. But like, right here, right now, and so the wishing week is an opportunity to figure out what you actually want for dinner, who you actually want to spend time with, what you actually want to sit down and read. So it's all these different clues and and, and we're all better off when we're in a resonance of joy, right? Because? And that's what's movement, and there's a big movement right now across the world to align authenticity.
Speaker 1:You know finding your own, because, if you know, talk about frequency, which what you're so passionate about, it's like your soul has that. But we have oftentimes shut that down from an early age and haven't let our instincts come out, because it's not possible, because we won't be accepted, whatever Right. But once you get back to that which is your true, authentic self, your frequency, your song, so to speak, like what song are you choosing to sing in this life? There is nothing more powerful than that. It just radiates, it echoes, it reverberates. You liberate other people. They're like she's doing what she's passionate about or she's being authentic. I want to be authentic too.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like this longing that we have buried over so much time and literally we, you know, we've been studying how people find their purpose for the last year, like, literally researching 100 people, person by person, like how did you find your purpose? What happened? And what we're realizing is that those miracles, those doors that you didn't think were going to open, those couldn't impossibles, whatever, start to open up when you're in your purpose. Okay, you're not in your head, you're in your heart. And that's the same thing with spoon bending.
Speaker 1:You know we learn so much from spoon bending that we can apply to our life, because it's such an extreme situation. So when you're in your head, you can't bend a spoon Because it's not. It's just doesn't make any sense, and yet you can. So so this is just a new way to pave our minds and our hearts, to open up, to wait a minute, like if I, if I could get what I wanted, if I was truly satisfied, if I was truly me, if I was truly contributing what my joy is for the world, what would that even look like?
Speaker 2:Totally now resonance, because, like, the magic of resonance to me is like coming into the frequency or the vibration of our purpose. And the cool thing about resonance to me is that it's not something we have to be taught. Like we all intuitively know what it means to say that resonates with me, like we, we know, we all know that we like nod our heads and go, yeah, of course I know if something resonates, and and so speak a little bit more about the connection between resonance and living your purpose. Just like, like cause, I really feel like that's you're dancing around that thing that it is about core resonance, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Adam will also have his thoughts on this. But for me, when you say that, I think of two things. I think of yeah, so when things are resonant, there's not a drag on the system, on the math, on the fractal, on the thing, there's not a lot of resistance and drag. What does that mean? It means like actually your heart, when you're in your purpose, when you're in your passion, it actually is a imploding fractal tyrodal field and once it starts imploding, it can grow out and out and out. That's why people in their purpose are very magnetic, they're powerful, the doors are opening for them in their life. The other thing is that it seems to be kind of like an attractor. Is that it seems to be kind of like an attractor? So not only do you step out your field because it's powerful, it's core, because it's more pure, you're also like attracting the people, like I mean I think a lot of people say that when you find your purpose, things do shift right. Well, any big consciousness thing you have, so it's like okay, these people are not in my life anymore, this same thing or this job, I mean it can get kind of extreme where you're like whoa, because there's not a resonance match. It's not. It's not resonating.
Speaker 1:And this is a point that I learned. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad spiral where I was like one thing went bad and then it was like it shook my core beliefs so much so that it started ripping down all these other things, and so I was in you know those spirals where it's like, oh my gosh, this is like everything felt bad. What you want to do in those situations is attach your resonant field back to not what you're seeing, not what you're experiencing in the present, but where you're actually going. If you can, I did that and within a half an hour, everything reconfigured better in all aspects of my life. It was instantaneous.
Speaker 1:I mean and that doesn't seem logical to me that things you know, every you know like this and that was going, you know, and and then so we we have to understand resonance can be a very powerful field if you can create. It can be a very powerful field if you can create it. It's just like the heart, like the brain and heart. You know, like you've done with heart math, it's like when your heart and your brain are actually in a resonance field. It's like all this healing suddenly starts to happen. It's like the symphony just goes, and so I think resonance is really what we should be looking at and in trying to figure out how to get there, and I think it's just really the pureness of everything. It's when you're not over complicating and thinking about all the different options. You're just sincere in your own self, just like a child would be right. So children are just, they're not that complicated, they haven't sifted through so many different options. So I think, just getting down, what do you think about resonance, adam?
Speaker 3:oh, I think. I think that music gives us a lot of indication about it and because of its simplicity, it can be easily ignored. As the example when notes are in resonance, then there's a reason that it causes pleasure, and then, when they're not in resonance, there's a reason that it causes displeasure. And I think that the, the energetic as zinco was saying the toroidal field, where this, this energy is flowing, it causes ripples in it that are discordant. So we have, we have no words for some of these things, because they tend towards the realms of magic and were kind of beaten out of the society over the centuries.
Speaker 3:However, they left us music and there are so many really cool resonant, discordant, harmonious-type words that we can glean from music that help to inform us of that is what we're looking, we can, we can look at it visually, uh, with instruments, and we can definitely hear it, like we're tuned to hearing that. And so, in looking for resonance, I wonder with both of you, like, maybe scientifically, there's a way that we can measure that and actually know when we're in resonance, when our bodies are actually in resonance with our, with, when our bodies and our minds, our consciousness together, is resonating. There'd be a way to just have a microphone that's like yeah, you're there, keep going, you're doing good. We would be able to look at homes, buildings, forests even, and be able to understand that resonance exists or that there's discordance there, and then, through trial and error, we could figure out how to adapt that. I hope I'm causing some ideas there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, absolutely. I'm glad you brought that up because I think, like some people know, I work with this quantum frequency technology called Healy, and you know that technology has the ability to analyze the field, the quantum field, and then feedback, both what is out of alignment or out. You could we could say out of resonance and then harmonize it back into resonance through frequency. That's basically what it does. You can do it for anything. You can do it for a car, a plant, a person, a group, a forest.
Speaker 2:And you know I think it's not far down the road that the next iteration of it it will tell you like beliefs you're holding on to and it will give you information like that. But I could see it being more and more sophisticated, getting down at deeper levels of you know different ways that the, maybe the elements, the minerals, you know different, different parts of the cell structure, of whatever it was, are out of alignment and, and you know, give you even more detail about harmonizing it. So I think that's the kind of technology that I think of when, when I hear you speak.
Speaker 1:And I'm just thinking about love, like. I mean, so love is like oh, I resonate with you and it and you lose your mind and you do crazy stuff and it's like it is almost like a magnet in a way, and so that's what we can think about. When we are attached together, that's when that propagation happens, so the waves start, it goes in a horizontal and then it also goes up at the same time.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, we're just starting to be able to measure this stuff. And you know, people probably have worn a crystal, if you've ever worn a crystal. Crystal is holding a certain I mean, we're all waves and things like that. So it's holding something and actually you've been able to resonate with that exact frequency and it's no longer needed to, you know, to guide you, to hold you up to it. It's fascinating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so fascinating and I love what you just said about resonance is love, because I've been again, I've been really thinking about this word a lot and, funny, I just created some stickers that say resonance is flow is love. Because, to me, what? When we say we love something, actually we're describing an experience of feeling connected and feeling resonant. That's actually I think that's a word to describe that experience that we're having. I can't imagine being in resonance with something and not, in a way, loving it. I feel like it is. So I'm so appreciative that you brought that up too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that goes along with your theory about what you know we're all like searching for, like how do we turn this into heaven on earth? What does that look like? And you have an interesting theory about how things in people resonate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, tell us. I think it's an idea about how consciousness might be working to manifest our experience here. And so, with lucid living, the way that we've been describing it is when we have a lucid dream. We use our consciousness to arrange energy inside our minds into such a way that we can have an experience with it. So we take that energy that's neurons firing, or however you would like to describe it, and that consciousness says oh, it's a jungle and I'm flying over it, or I'm on a cruise ship or whatever it might be. You've arranged that energy into a pattern and that pattern allows you to then interact with it. And then the foundations of lucid living is to realize that when we open our eyes in the morning, we're doing the same thing.
Speaker 1:Our consciousness is arranging the energy that we see present in front of us Into such a pattern that we can have an experience with it and when everyone is in love with what they're doing so I'm making a meal and I'm not upset and I'm not like hating it, I'm not like in a rush then that actually has that love in it. So when you're playing your bowls and when you're working with your clients, it's like, oh my gosh, it's a lot of love that you open to them in a very loving, healing, like accepting way. So Adam believes that if we were all living our purpose, we would be creating artifacts and things and experiences that were in the vibration of love, and that's the highest you can get. I mean, that's it Right, like I'm in love with what I'm doing. Then you're in love with what I'm doing because it sounds good and whatever you know it becomes, then it propagates, it starts to propagate, right.
Speaker 3:So then we're eating the products of that love and passion, we're drinking them, we're bathing in them, we're cleaning with them. They're the vessels that we put our food, they're the instruments that we do our work, everything that we're surrounded by. And when we go into a shop, somewhere in our travels and we see something, we call it valuable because it was made by a craftsperson and they they spent their life honing that skill and it's as perfect as they could make it and that's what they love to do. We've seen musical instruments like that. They could make it and that's what they love to do. We've seen musical instruments like that a stradivarius violin comes to mind made with with just the deepest of passions to just excel at that, and then we can imagine everything we're surrounded by, the clothes we wear, the, the colorings we might use to adapt our appearance. Everything is made from that, and then I believe that that's the foundational aspect of heaven on earth.
Speaker 2:That gives me chills.
Speaker 1:That resonates.
Speaker 2:So how, adam, how do we just for the listeners? How do we begin to live this way?
Speaker 3:Right, well, actually I'm going to turn it over to Zinka, because she has fantastic ideas about helping people do that.
Speaker 1:Well, so the weird part about it is that in our research, only 10% even know their purpose and passion and only 5% are living it, and you're a perfect example of the type of people we would interview.
Speaker 1:that they were like, oh yeah, I was an NFL star, fel star, but you know it wasn't what my deepest calling was. And just like you, you know you're, you know you're a scientific desk job like that people would kill for, you know, at the top of your career, and um, and then you were like, no, but I have to do this other thing, no matter what, and you figure it out. So it's like. So one of the things so we looked at how these hundred people found their purpose and a lot of the number one advice so far in the data is courage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe it Right. So it takes a lot of courage to leave the being like, as you said, being at the top of your career, like I was, and saying I'm actually giving this up because I trust that something more aligned is out there for me.
Speaker 1:So together we rewrite the rules that you know that it's not okay to follow your passion. You know, because, at the end of the day, the biggest regret people have on their deathbed and this is a good exercise for people looking to find their purpose is sit down and write and say you know, what do you want to tell yourself when you're 85? Or what would you do if you had a year to live? That's a great question. What would you do if you had, if you couldn't fail? You know it's like oh, I want to be a sound healer, but I think I could fail, so I'm just gonna work, you know, selling like. You know insurance, you know you know, or whatever right. So you know, or whatever right.
Speaker 1:So, so, so and this goes back to our original conversation about spoon bending and belief so even something as absolutely ridiculous as that, like bending a spoon with your mind, you could make a living. You know as it sounded. You know, because anything is actually possible once we allow ourselves to believe deep down. And I think that's what's happening with the younger kids now and they, they don't care, like if your company doesn't have a purpose, they don't want to even work for you. You know, if it's not, if it's not bigger than like, oh, if it's just like, my purpose is making money, which a lot of companies were. All that's what. That was just the thing. It was like oh, we're going to make money. They don't even want to work for you and they would rather take less pay to actually work doing something Right Cause they so they instinctively know that that is where the gold is. That deeper satisfaction, that feeling of resonance with your soul, is freedom. That is freedom. There is nothing more powerful, more delicious, more exciting than being who you are. And because everyone has a genius, right, your zone of genius is the thing where everyone's like how are you even doing that, holly? Like I look at you on the bowls and with the music, I'm just like everything out of your mouth.
Speaker 1:When we did it here and I was just like wow, it was like all perfect, and I felt like you weren't answering all these people's questions, because you were. You're in your purpose, you're in your Dharma, you're in your soul's calling and that is your gift to the world. You know, and everyone has one. And so, anyway, we got, when we read that statistics, and we started to realize that, like I did too. I mean, I, I didn't think I could be, I didn't think I could research miracles for a living. Like, are you serious? Like and I'm doing it like so, like, if I can do it, you can do it. Like, literally, you know, and and I had people like no, no, no, and I was just like I have to keep hold of this, I have to, and I was just like I have to keep hold of this. I have to keep hold of this.
Speaker 1:So we believe that we have figured out how to do this for other people, which is put you in a group of eight to 12, a very small group with a guide that knows their purpose, and our guides have had like 20 years of experience helping people find their purpose. You know, and you get through, and each week you do a different experiential thing and those are going to start cranking open these things and you know, it is like my son said. He's 10 years old, he's like no one can tell you the your purpose, and that's right. But you, but we can get, get you to those doorsteps where is going to be shining you in the face, and it can take you 20 years or, like me, it's, you know, 30, 40 years, you know, to figure it out, or it can take you while we do it in eight weeks.
Speaker 1:So that's what? Yeah, that's what, and we saw we're going to. We're starting our, our first groups, which we've done with the other impossible curiosity labs, and we'll see what our batting average is, but I bet you it'll be on par with our 96 or 86 percent that we've gotten in the other last 100, because you get people all focused on supporting, loving and and holding each other in that space and you start to work as a team and the it's just like Lynn McTaggart, you know.
Speaker 1:It's like why can people sit around in a group of eight and get someone off there? You know, we, we were in Spain and this woman was like on crutches. Lynn McTaggart had given her speech and she was like okay, everyone get in groups of eight and like, let's do an experience. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So the woman that was in our group, she couldn't stand up Crutches. She was in a kind of a boot cast that had rods and screws and stuff. They weren't in her leg but they were. It was one of the most extreme things I think I've seen. And she said, can I be in the center? We said sure, and so we all got around her 10 minutes, 10 minutes. We backed up and she stood up and put her crutches down and walked across the front of the stage. And the thing that was truly overwhelming about that is the next day we saw her in the library, in the lobby of the hotel, without crutches, and she saw us and she came over, gave us a big hug and it was like it's sticking. You know it's. It wasn't just a quick little thing and she said, yeah, it's, it's a miracle, that's incredible, that's I think it was like taking us like really quick.
Speaker 3:I want to mention this for your listeners. So one of the things that Lynn shared with us is the recipient in the middle, the person that got the healing. Everybody focuses on that, and she said she began to look at outcomes of the people who had affected the healing, outcomes of the people who had affected the healing, and later on, within two or three days, it had like come back to them and something amazing had happened to every single person that was involved in that. And so there is reciprocity. Wow, give that, it comes back to you like threefold or higher it comes back to you like threefold or higher.
Speaker 1:So so you might not be able to find your purpose with your husband or your coworkers or whatever, because they're not, they're not in the same moment with you, they're not in that journey, they're not in that quest, they're not, they're just doing their thing, you know, and they're worried about you and this and that and whatever. You get eight people that are in that journey with you and also are like we are getting everyone through here. If you know people are ill, they need to be with other people that are, you know, in that that quest, because you know doctor doesn't have time to sit and hold your hand the whole time. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So this is, this is the science behind group cohesion, resonance, support, love, whatever, right, and you will see what's the weirdest things about these groups is you start to see like, oh my gosh, what you said, holly, was actually a part of my ego. That was like, oh yeah, I didn't want to say that, but that's what I'm thinking. Or you know you're throwing a temper tantrum that a part of me is also throwing, you know, or whatever. So there's this like weird situation where you start to learn through other people, watching them get to the finish line and they're into. Everyone starts helping each other, you know, and it's, it's a very interesting process Amazing.
Speaker 2:I mean it makes sense from the point of view of from a frequency, resonance and energetic universe. It makes sense. It feels like phase locking is kind of what comes to mind, this idea that you know our waves phase lock together and they've seen that in. You know, they've done studies with pilots, you know. You know working in different settings, doctors, you know people working in group settings where their heart rates start to come into phase together, right. So it makes perfect sense to me that we get a group like that and you know they come together and then together elevating to some new level, they come into resonance and they, it feels like, rises all boats, brings everybody up to this, to this higher frequency. Is it something like that, do you think? Is that how it works?
Speaker 1:And it's also that I believe in you, like your guide is there to believe in you, and, of course, your teammates are going to believe in you because they want to believe that it can work. They want to believe in you, they want, they want to believe in themselves, but something isn't happening yet. You know what I mean. So it's a very interesting support structure in which to start this new chapter of your life and you can get to that 5%, that 10% that are living their purpose and it, you know, it'd be a shame if we didn't all do that Right, because then you're, then you're reincarnating again, trying to do the same darn thing, you know, and it's like, well, let's just get it done, no matter how scary it is, you know, and that's also in the top 10, get out of your comfort zone. So it's like we have all these, like you know, tricks and tips on how to get out of your fear, you know, because that that can hold you back from all this growth and all this, all this gold we worked with a different team.
Speaker 3:So it's along the same lines, but we worked with a different team and one of the things that they had discovered is, if you intend and I'm going to manifest X, y, z tomorrow, you have like a 60% chance of that happening with their research, there's like a 60% chance that that's going to happen for you. If I wish it for you, it goes up to 80. Really it does. And so a friend of ours, some friends of ours, a couple we were having dinner with them and we got out to the parking lot and her partner had been quiet all evening and I said something to her about it and she explained it. She explained it better than I had ever heard it explained before. It was so magical. And her explanation was that when you tell me what it is that you'd like to manifest, and then I wish it for you, I intend to manifest it for you. I'm not bringing any of the baggage of what caused you not to have it.
Speaker 2:No, you don't have the same blocks. You don't have them. I have no blocks.
Speaker 3:So it's just, I'm just all in, yeah. And so when we get in those teams and you say I want to study frequency and bring this joy to the world, Great. Let's manifest that for you. I have no blocks in doing that. No, there's no reasons why it can't happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent I that's really interesting. So there's actually research, published research on this.
Speaker 3:I don't know that it's published.
Speaker 1:I think it's from the bio cybernaut Institute. It's like the leader in neuroscience and and everything, and we're actually working with them on a shared neurofeedback system. So, when you were talking about the phase lock, we're actually working on a system that could help us get into alpha. So, instead of my listening to just my brain, I'm listening to your brain as well, and we're trying to reach alpha, which is a state of oneness and love at the same time, and our brains are being rewarded with sound when we get there. So so you know it.
Speaker 1:Like I said, this is the perfect time for us to take all these baffling, mysterious miracles and be like wait a minute, because I'm like you, holly, I want the science, I want the repeatability. I don't want this. I don't want finding the purpose to be willy-nilly, I want a system. That's why we study 100 people, look for power. I want to know so that we can get over this evolutionary. I mean, we always say, if a million people were more, we're living their purpose, we're. That would be huge. Yeah, because those people are really, you know, holding a powerful resonance and a light for other people, right? So the phase lot gets bigger and bigger. They're like mini crystals going. Okay, yes, yeah, like deep, deep fulfillment, deep, deep gratitude, deep, deep joy, you know like this is me, you know, creating.
Speaker 2:Like you know I love Joe Dispenza, but, and I want to say that, like there's a lot of emphasis on, I've got to create my mind, movie my vision of what I want and do it, and it's very much me and it's very much individual. And what I'm really picking up on is your work seems to include groups and the power of group work, so that it's not just me doing it alone, but it's actually the power of groups to manifest. It seems like this is a really key theme for your work, Am I right?
Speaker 1:And because because once you master your own field right, you've done your work, your trauma work, your healing work, you've done like you've done your work then it's about collaboration. And that's the collaboration is the theme of the decade. Right now it's often, or whatever, like not even decade anymore. Things are moving fast. But let's say, authenticity is number one. Who are you? What do you want? What do you resonate? What resonates? What's your song? How are you doing this? And number two, how do we work together? Cause, this whole like silo. You know holistic health, you know, we know we're all connected. So it doesn't work if there's no coordination. And I think once your cup runneth over, because you have taken care of yourself in your own field, your own emotions, your own whatever, then you can actually spill it out.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, once we do it together, whoa you can fall down on Tuesday, it's gonna still be okay because you're gonna be in the. You know the rising tide it's gonna be. You know it's like, and that's what we want to do. And so collaboration is highly complex, just like holistic health, but it's the only road it has to be. It is intrinsically where we're at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really feel like, as you're talking, I'm seeing the mycelial networks underneath the trees and Susan Simard's research about the way that trees grow. You know and communicate to each other underground through the mycelial web and it's like it's all this one big connected network of you know forest beings supporting each other and and this work feels very much like that, the way you describe it and the way I listen to what you both are saying- yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:And if we could circle back to the wishing game. So one form of utilization is to say, well, you know, I think this aspect of the world isn't very fair and I can say, well, I wish it was fair, I don't think these people get along, I wish they got along. And so we can begin to look at that collaborative, cooperative style and notice it in ourselves, that how much of a deep desire we have for that collectively. Without naming the politicians of history, we can think how many times a politician ran on a platform of I will bring you peace and they win based on that. Now, whether or not they deliver totally different story and we won't go into that. What I recognize by that over and over is how, collectively, we really do want a lot of these cooperative things to happen.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, we really do. I'm thinking about the wishing game and I had a question just came up that our listeners may have and I'd love to hear your answer to it. So in because I've done a lot of manifestation and groups and things and usually what I hear is you want to live in the space of your outcome. You don't want to wish, because that implies you don't have it already and that puts you into a I'm sure you've had this question before but puts you into a space of wanting, not having, and in order to have, we have to be that energy. So how do you answer that question? Is there a danger to being in the wishing space so that you don't manifest your dreams?
Speaker 3:I guess there's always potential for anything to go a little awry, but I like surprises. At its root. It's a game, and the intention of the game is for us to really learn about ourselves. And then, consciously, one of the things that's come up is when we look at the hash marks like how many wishes did you have this last week? Be surprised how few people fill a page. They just run out. And so we all think we want unlimited wishes and yet we don't have them. We don't have them and so, yeah, I get it and we can. Anyone could hang up on the semantics of what is the deeper meaning of all of these things and if we live in that.
Speaker 1:But understanding where we want to go is really the question that we're trying to answer yeah, and you're right, Ollie. Trying to answer yeah, and you're right, Holly, like you don't want to say that I want money, for example, because you're always going to be wanting money, because you're actually programming your reality to that. So that's that's true. But, like he said, the idea is just to actually, like I, we were doing, you know, an exercise or meditating, and I couldn't even I created a version of myself and the version couldn't even think of what she wanted. So it was like it's like a stranglement that we've gone into, like a helplessness, like the elephant tied to thing where we've not even in touch with that. And I want to go back to your point about collaboration and ego and all these other things. So one of the interesting data points that we've discovered in our research is that almost half, almost equal in point value, was people saying to find your purpose, you got to focus outward so that you can, you know, find something bigger than yourself, to to take you out, you know, to take you into your purpose. And then you got another half going. You've got to go totally inward, Right, and I think it's, and I think it's for me. I had to become more selfish to actually find my purpose, Because I was doing everything for everybody else. I was solving everyone else's problems. I was seeing that I could use my skills to do this, this and this, but it wasn't actually what I wanted to do and there's nobody like me. So if I was doing what other people needed and wanted me to do, that would have been okay, but there is a huge difference in energy levels and excitement levels and results levels. When it's actually what I'm choosing. It's actually what I'm choosing, you know, to like. That would really like if, if, if I had unlimited options, I would choose to study impossible things like levitating and all this stuff, you know, because that's just where my brain goes and I'm like you know, and I just want to go there. That's like like I really want to wake up in the morning for that, but I would. I would pretty much like to get up to do other things too, but there's a difference. And so I think it's as all paradoxes, this whole thing, life is a huge paradox of. It's true and also true. So it's that you know, if you've been selfish all your life, maybe you also need to actually draw your attention outward and go what does the world mean? So it depends where you've been and what your life is about so far to where that freedom is going to come in. But there is this win-win that happens where what's good for me me, zanka, studying impossible things is actually also good for the world. Right, they also need me to do this. So or maybe not, but I mean, you know. You know what I mean. So there's a win-win that happens once the truth is there and there is no.
Speaker 1:You know you're not compromising every second of every day. I mean, even relationships aren't really good when there's so much compromise and codependency going on. It's like you think it's good because you're how you're doing that person's dependent on you and you're dependent. But it's actually not good, it's actually not not productive. So someone doing something in hate or or creating a meal that is like, like I said, like that they're not wanting to make, could actually be worse than them not cooking and yet they think that they need to cook the meal. So it's weird and you've got to pull back and because once you do find your purpose, then you're like the cup runneth over and you can do you. You're happy to make the meal and you're happy to collaborate because you're not so in survival with your ego that you're like oh yeah, let's collaborate because I'm satisfied with what I did and I've already got that and now I can help you get your thing going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, a thousand percent. I call it just put. We got to put on our own oxygen mask first. You know we have to in order to help the other person and it's like when you start to live from in that way of oh, I can breathe, I feel amazing. I've stepped into my genius. To me it really feels like you're talking about like stepping into the frequency of your genius, and when you do that, you become a gift to the world. Right, it's like we become the medicine that the world needs when we step into that frequency for ourselves.
Speaker 1:And that's what you've done, like you know you really have. Like you're interested in neuroscience, you're interested in science, you're interested in music, you're interested in consciousness. It's like, and what's cool is that we're also seeing people do super unique things. Like you are, you're like oh, I know the Healy. Like your technology person, you know. So it's like it's we're all we're just seeing these things that are invented that never you know, careers that never are on the list, like combinations, like you go to Phoenix and they're selling burrito sushi. You know that level of like creativity is starting to come out in people and it's cool.
Speaker 2:It's so cool, right? I mean, when you see all the creative ways that people reinvent themselves, it's so inspiring. I totally agree with you, yeah, and then with people.
Speaker 1:You're like I'm, I wanted that burrito sushi. Like I totally get you, you know. You're scared. You're like, oh my gosh, should I say this self, this about me? Like maybe people won't accept me, like I don't know. And then you say it, and then you get. People are like yes, you know. So it's like, it's like your authenticity is actually helping and he works with me a lot in this, because I'm always like oh, you know, we shouldn't talk about that or this. He's just like just go ahead, because then you get a true resonance or not resonance. And who wants to be around people that are not resonating? You don't.
Speaker 2:No, no, right, it feels incoherent in the body. It's like, yes, and we're our bodies, don't lie. I mean. This is the thing. Is that because we're energy beings and we're all made of, you know, energy, frequency, vibration, our bodies are telling us and signaling us all the time If something is in resonance or not. We know immediately it. We just feel yucky Like, oh, you know, something's off. You know that's us verbalizing a dissonance in the field, you know. But conversely, I feel like Adam, like what you're saying about heaven on earth. If we're following our resonance all the way, then you know we, we are on this pathway, this golden path to heaven on earth.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, and if any of your listeners are experienced with lucid dreaming, then I could really recommend using that playground as a place to bend time, bend reality, and go ahead and explore and and experiment with what you might like to be creating here yeah, yeah, that's a great, that's a great prompt.
Speaker 2:I've I love lucid dreaming practice and have done it, and it's difficult, like for me it's difficult. So I love this idea too of lucid living, of it feels a little more reachable actually for me and maybe others who struggle with lucid dreaming, of let's just bring into reality right now whatever it is that we desire. Open to that possibility. That's what I hear you saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah the first step is knowing what your preferences even are right, and you can change your preference from today, tomorrow, today, next year. But knowing what they are is half the battle, is half the like, you know, is half the thing. And so just starting to recognize, starting to get, allowing your knowing, to have a preference about something is is the first clue to you, people, you, the universe, god, whatever all of it. You know it's that preference and you can change your mind. So don't worry, you know. But it's like just exploring, like hey, wait a minute, I've been going through life just doing, doing, taking that I haven't even gotten in touch with that, that I am that the you. You know that that's my genius I'm.
Speaker 3:I want to mention this because there's there's going to be some folks out there that are maybe single parents and they're saying how do I fulfill my duty, that duty? They have that duty to those children and it's occupying most of their time, energy and effort in the world. So how do they fulfill that duty and live from love? And so we can have many purposes, and so making lunch and breakfast for little people in the morning can be one of those, and we can live that from the heart with integrity, and allow that operation of those frequencies to then resonate throughout the different fields of what we're going to manifest, because lucid living is really procedural manifestation. Going to manifest because lucid living is really procedural manifestation so that world opens up to you and you're creating it as you move into it.
Speaker 2:I mean that we could go off on a whole thing about holographic universe and I love sky Nelson Isaacs and how he works with. You know with that, you know holographic universe, that we're literally creating the physics behind it. But I won't go into that, but it feels really relevant here too that there's physics behind. I don't know if you've investigated that, but there's in the holographic physics world.
Speaker 3:There's really physics that are showing exactly what you're saying is true, right, and so one of the things that happened about three weeks ago that's still like fascinating me is I've been a big fan of Donald Hoffman, who kind of leads with consciousness, comes first and then it creates everything that we experience. And where I've been a fan he's been kind of alone. But then I've seen someone else saying well, you know, after years of research I'm starting to feel this way. We talked to a physicist in Japan last week and at the end of his interview, after the camera was off, he said no, fundamentally it starts with consciousness and that gives rise to the quantum field. That's been giving rise to X, y, z, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, I love Donald Hoffman too, yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like it's it's. We've reached this point where it's rippled out and the obvious is becoming what's OK to talk about now. So absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Rupert Spira, a teacher that I love and follow, says it's like, you know, at first we thought the world was flat, you know, and then we moved to understanding the world was round. Then we thought, you know, the sun ran around the earth, and then we understood the earth ran around the sun and that the consciousness first paradigm is the next evolution in human understanding, that is, beyond the newtonian universe to the consciousness first universe. That that analogy really worked for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, yeah so this, this program that you're doing and the work that you're doing, is getting us close out of the world of the mind and into the world of our other senses, you know, and that completes a picture that will allow us to more easily rest into our hopes, our dreams, our souls. You know, our, our, our thing, you know, to let, to turn down the volume on the logic of it, because there is no logic Like that's one thing that lightheaded we have figured that out. Like it's not, it's, it's, it's nothing that I've ever been taught. You know, the linear mind doesn't, can't go, or yeah, I mean just like that you could love it. I mean, we've interviewed all this. You know it's like what? So that's it's. We're not going to find all the answers there.
Speaker 2:Right? No, no, we're not. And the work that you're doing, by the way, I mean I think that's the work that we're both doing in this world. Maybe this is a good place to wrap up. I know there's other things we could talk about and I feel like there's a part two that maybe wants to happen. We could have a continued conversation about some of the other out there out of this world work that you do. That is part two. So with this, I just want to ask one thought you want to leave listeners with and then and then tell us where you people can find you. I mean, I feel like people might want to sign up for a purpose lab.
Speaker 1:they want to know how they could get involved where they go so my one thought is that I tell everyone listening is I believe in you, like I. I believe in in you, your potential to find your spark, to find your light, and I will never stop believing in you because I that's one of the things we've learned with the spoon bending is that it's not special people, it's not vegans, it's not people with their chakras aligned, it's not people with their, you know, ascended master, master, extra, extra, whatever Everyone is able to do it. So that implies that we all have what it takes to, you know, be ourselves in this world and to be truly, deeply satisfied. And, adam, do you have a final thought? And I'll tell them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because there are some natural questions that come up. If everyone's creating the world, like, what kind of chaos is that going to be like? And we have a saying between us and I'm going to share it with your listeners because I really hope that they dive into it. I trust you with the dream.
Speaker 2:I trust you with a dream, with the dream. I trust you with the dream, yeah.
Speaker 3:And Zyka.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, so yeah, what he's saying is like let's empower each other to create the best version of our time together on this. You know, in this experience, um, so we, uh, we're non-profit, so we have um spoon bending parties once a month. We're having one on Saturday. I don't think this is going to be released in time, I don't know, but we do it every month, so that's easy, and so we invite you to do that at lightnetorg and we also the Holo Movement Purpose Lab. You can go to holomovementnet, slash purpose, and that's where you'll find all the stories and that's where you can sign up for a team starting in October. And and yeah, yes, Amazing.
Speaker 2:You guys amaze me. I love your energy. I love your passion. I love everything that you're about, Just truly, truly. You're amazing, beautiful people. Thank you for everything you're bringing into the world and all the people you're about, Just truly, truly. You're amazing, beautiful people. Thank you for everything you're bringing into the world and all the people you're helping. Oh, I'm so grateful, yeah, I'm so grateful, and thank you everybody for listening. I send, we all send out our love and blessings and our belief in you. I love this. I believe in you.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Thank you all.
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